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In Texas, Search Warrants Can Now Be Based on a "Prediction of a Future Crime"
Dallas Observer ^ | Dec 17, 2013 | Eric Nicholson

Posted on 12/18/2013 1:15:11 PM PST by driftdiver

Police in Parker County had been watching Michael Fred Wehrenberg's home for a month when, late in the summer of 2010, they received a tip from a confidential informant that Wehrenberg and several others were "fixing to" cook meth. Hours later, after midnight, officers walked through the front door, rounded up the people inside, and kept them in handcuffs in the front yard for an hour and a half.

The only potential problem, at least from a constitutional standpoint, was that the cops didn't have a search warrant. They got one later, before they seized the boxes of pseudoephedrine, stripped lithium batteries, and other meth-making materials, while the alleged meth cooks waited around in handcuffs, but by then they'd already waltzed through the home uninvited. They neglected to mention this on their warrant application, identifying a confidential informant as their only source of information.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; donutwatch; policestate; texas; tyranny; wod; wosd
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To: driftdiver

Perhaps I’m just denser than usual because of the Christmas season rush but how does this happen in Texas? Isn’t that supposed to be a fairly rationale state?

And I’m not being sarcastic….what am I missing?


61 posted on 12/18/2013 3:10:57 PM PST by ConsStuckInDetroit (Detroit really is a cesspool....don't send them anymore $$...)
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To: alloysteel

Shoot, I was just about ready to write a precog comment and saw that you beat me to it.


62 posted on 12/18/2013 3:10:57 PM PST by skams19
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To: I want the USA back

O.o


63 posted on 12/18/2013 3:18:07 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I do see a problem here.

What was the urgency? Was there a risk of flight? Then tail them until a proper warrant is had and the evidence is found, then arrest them.

A judge was available to provide a proper search warrant. It should have been done first. Period.

I don’t like drug dealers any more than the next guy, but the need to pick and choose whose rights are observed is just wrong.

Justice may be served for the criminals if they cannot get off, but the jack booted thugs enforcing laws will learn they can do whatever they want in which case America as a whole is the loser.

Those cops need to be reigned in, stripped of all authority and heavily penalized if they cannot reasonably justify their actions with proof.


64 posted on 12/18/2013 3:28:51 PM PST by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: GeronL

Maybe their “informant” was the NSA/KGB.


65 posted on 12/18/2013 3:36:42 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: ConsStuckInDetroit

I was thinking it might be a federal court, but no these are elected judges. Then I thought it was an overstatement of the ruling.

The “Prediction of a Future Crime” statement came from the dissenting judge.

In short I don’t see it either but its scary.


66 posted on 12/18/2013 3:42:54 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; driftdiver
I don’t see a problem here.

Nearly every time I see your comments, you're supporting big controlling government and their unconstitutional actions.

What's up with that?

67 posted on 12/18/2013 3:44:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SaraJohnson

good point


68 posted on 12/18/2013 3:45:19 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Responsibility2nd
ROFLOL. You sure know how to stir the pot.

Were these drug dealers tea partiers that were caught? And is that a bad thing?

Look. If a good defense attorney can get charges dropped based on technicalities, then all is good. If not, well then justice is served.

I'll prefer to stick to the Constitution.

69 posted on 12/18/2013 3:47:58 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I don’t see a problem here.”

Since you have such contempt for the Constitution, and fail to grasp its significance, I wonder why you are on Free Republic.


70 posted on 12/18/2013 3:51:47 PM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("There's always free cheese in a mousetrap." - Marine Col. Peter Martino)
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To: ex-snook

“Hey future crimes, that’s the beef with Iraq and Iran.”

Iran and Iran are not subject to the Constitution.


71 posted on 12/18/2013 3:53:07 PM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("There's always free cheese in a mousetrap." - Marine Col. Peter Martino)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes, it is a bad thing.

If police can fraudulently get a warrant, they can fraudulently plant evidence.

The police should not only have the case thrown out, the officers should be prosecuted for perjury.


72 posted on 12/18/2013 3:56:12 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: GladesGuru

If drugs were legal, it would thin out the herd quite nicely.

DEA exists to keep the drug cartel’s markup high, and to prevent competition from people who don’t pay off the DEA.


73 posted on 12/18/2013 3:58:22 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Iraq and Iran signed the nuclear non-proliferation agreement. In violation of it, they are subject to enforcement actions.


74 posted on 12/18/2013 4:01:00 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I don’t see a problem here.

Then you'd really do yourself a favor by reading the Constitution.

I checked mine and nowhere did it say that if people end up doing something illegal, then it's perfectly justified for the cops to tie them up on the floor in advance.

The end does not justify the means.

75 posted on 12/18/2013 4:04:08 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: NorthMountain

Don’t you love how the biggest drug warriors on stories like this are usually the same type of people who were outraged when prosecutors were after limbaugh for doctor shopping and his synthetic heroin habit?


76 posted on 12/18/2013 4:12:02 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: discostu; Sacajaweau
"Of course in the world of drug laws they’ve broadened definitions to the point where just about everybody is committing a crime."

How true. If someone travels with their prescription pills in one of those daily dispensers and don't have the bottles associated with the pills with them, that person will likely go to jail.

Cops don't give a darn about common sense any more. Laws are designed by lawyers to make work for themselves and the system they work within. It is not about preserving individual liberties.

77 posted on 12/18/2013 5:11:02 PM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: driftdiver
So, Texas now has “Pre-Crime Strike Force” as in the Tom Cruise movie “Minority Report”? How absolutely special. The cops can now read minds and tell when someone might, just might, be considering committing a crime? I am absolutely thrilled -- NOT!
78 posted on 12/18/2013 5:12:49 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Oliviaforever
"Furthermore, Texans will feel safer if they can report on their fellow citizens who they think may be pondering committing a crime."

Not me! Are you being sarcastic?

I'll feel safer when I know my individual liberties are protected from nosy busybodies, corrupt politicians and police, gun grabbers, and do-gooders of every stripe who think they know what's best for me and mine!

79 posted on 12/18/2013 5:17:29 PM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Shimmer1; Oliviaforever

I think you missed the sarcasm literally flowing from the posting.


80 posted on 12/18/2013 5:18:27 PM PST by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
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