Yep, got your possibilities right here - they're called ZIP:
Posted on 12/08/2013 8:52:07 AM PST by carlo3b
I know many on this site will look at this and think it is one more crackpot talking nonsense.. That may not be entirely wrong, but I am not a crackpot, and my attitude is shared by too many intelligent folks that are entirely fed-up with the direction we are going..
Texas is suffering from our own success.. We are attracting the disaffected millions, from failed governments around the country, to our state because of our business friendly atmosphere, low taxation, low costs, great weather, and great opportunities..
All of that would be fine, if the newcomers would leave their failed liberal political views behind, which they obviously won't do.. There may not be much time before we are overrun with morons with enough numbers to risk the future.. Secession may be the only solution, if it is a solution at all..
I seek your comments..
Yes I would be a stockpot :-)
All those receiving social security and medicare will be really excited about leaving the country. Loss of military bases will be a real winner too. And the ensuing recession will be lots of fun.
I would love a peaceful separation. If they aren’t agreeable to it, then it will come down to being “a jerk.”
There’s a significant difference between then and now.
A Republic of Texas could end up just as bad as the USA.
Lets face it. As good as our political system is in the USA, it has serious flaws: an unfettered Congress that can spend money & pass freedom stealing laws at will, a Presidency increasingly unanswerable to the law or public, a partisan Justice Dept. answerable to no one, an education system dominated by the government & unions that doesn't so much educate as indoctrinate.
Before you secede, you had better be damn sure your next government resolves these problems, among other complex constitutional problems that plague the USA. If you think restricting homosexuality, liberal gun rights, & prayer in schools are the major problems needing to be addressed in writing a “better” constitution, you are likely doomed to repeat the creeping tyranny of the USA.
Don't be deluded into thinking Liberalism can be outlawed or avoided. Strangely, conservative parents have liberal children quite often. Cities are breeding grounds for Liberalism, yet necessary for commerce. You're gonna need some serious reeducation camps or a painful exile policy to deal with this problem.
Finally, a major reason for the decline of the USA is the quality of our political class. The Constitution is premised on an honorable political class & an impartial judiciary. We have neither. The political class is overwhelmingly partisan, greedy & self serving. The judiciary is divided by partisanship - the opposite of impartiality. How a Republic of Texas can avoid the inevitability of such a political class is beyond me. For you can create the PERFECT constitution for your new republic, yet the politicians can make the whole thing fail, again.
Interesting, but not entirely accurate.. Liberalism survives with money.. Deprive the funds, and it has nowhere to go.. A new Constitution can establish guidelines for a balanced budget, term limits and strict rules on public assistance, among many other things..
If, and that is a BIG IF, Texas were to succeed in forming a new Constitution without the current Federal encroachments would never create a government that didn’t correct the problems that we broke away from, without correcting the pitfalls..
Yep, got your possibilities right here - they're called ZIP:
Actually, Liberalism survives on other peoples money.
There are plenty of rich Liberals in Texas. They wont go away after secession. Plenty more are not rich but deeply committed to Liberalism. How will you deprive them of money or political influence without oppressive laws?
Furthermore, significant political change has been made by penniless ideologues - the American Revolution, the Communist takeover of Russia & China were accomplished by essentially bankrupt revolutionaries.
As for balanced budget, term limits, & strict rules on public assistance, they are as meaningless as our Second Amendment if the politicians & judges can define "balanced", "term", & "strict" as they have the phrase "the right of the people to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed".
The problem in the USA is the politicians, not the Constitution. That same problem will also occur in a Republic of Texas. Until we can figure out how to consistently elect thoughtful, moral, honorable, selfless politicians (a massive oxymoron) to office, no constitution will prevent a slide back into tyranny. And if we can do that, shouldn't we do it for the entire USA & not just Texas?
The USA is gonna collapse soon from financial lunacy & class warfare, so why secede when the breakup of this nation is not far away?
Just up the road from me. I’m off of Cross Timbers and been house-bound until late yesterday as the ice was covering everything and no one in my neighborhood ventured out until late yesterday.
Good you got out and about and I think I will take a trip to Bass and see about those shoes. . .a little late for now but heck, with all that Global Warming going on and freezing things, might find use for them soon.
Would you mind telling me what town and cemetery? I’m interested in Texas history. I have a street named after my family in a small Texas town. Private message me if you don’t mind.
But Texas became a state through a vote in Congress, and I can't find anything in the Constitution that says a state can nullify that. Maybe another vote in Congress saying Texas was no longer a state, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
Here’s their website with information about them. We found the only places that have them are Bass Pro Shops and that Sun and Ski sports store at Grapevine Mills.
https://www.yaktrax.com/
I don't think it has the right to even do that without the consent of Congress and the Texas legislature. That's in Article IV, Section 3.
I believe it is only the State of Texas that must approve the four additional states. Beyond that, any new state admitted to the union must adhere to the same requirements.
Texas may have been able to do that once the republic signed the treaty with the U.S. and before Texas became a state but that ship has long since sailed. Texas has no more powers under the Constitution than any other state has.
SO if we fall into pure tyranny, which we are very close, you don’t have the cajones to consider secession.
IF you think SS and Medicare reasons to stay in the union then you are art the wrong place.
Half the people in the navy will defect to Texas anyway, maybe even the entire carrier.
I see no point of secession unless we can deport all the Liberals. We aren’t quite as Liberal as the other states yet, but we are getting there.
If we should ever get into a shooting war between a State or States and the US Military, for real, no kidding around, then occupation will not be the main strategy of the Feds. Destruction will be, and punishment. All kidding aside, this is not a realistic scenario. It's one thing to hoist a few Lone Stars and bar talk armed secession, it's another thing to contemplate the reality of it. The probable position of the United States would be not just that it would have to deal with Texas, but that it would have to send a message to the other 49 States and the rest of the world as well. And there are quite a few military analysists who would feel that the quickest, most humane, shortest and most definite solution to those requirements would result from some very large smoking holes that glow in the dark. That's reality.
As corrupted as the process has become, if you really want to change things, you educate yourself and go to the voting booth. The Constitution is meant to be invoked and used, not thrown aside for shooting war that would usher in an age of martial law. That's just national suicide.
Why be rude, just cut off the money, they’ll leave.. :)
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