Cruz says he is a US citizen 'by birth' despite being born in Canada

FOXNEWS.com ^ | October 28, 2013 | unknown

[txrangerette]

Cruz said in an interview with Fusion that because his mother is an American citizen he is a citizen as well.

"I was a U.S. Citizen by birth and beyond that I'm going to leave it to others to worry about...legal consequences", he said.

[SoConPubbie]

Where’s the ruling. I’m not interested so much in the history of John Marshall, where is the ruling?

[DiogenesLamp]

I'm getting weary of this for the time being, and I think this may very well be my last message of the day. To answer your question, I think if the issue is taken before the Supreme court today, the four liberals will definitely side with Obama, and the four conservatives may or may not split their vote. I should not be surprised at all if it is even unanimous in favor of the English Common law theory.

The legal system is simply too heavily polluted with a misunderstanding of the Wong Kim Ark ruling. A narrow interpretation of Wong Kim Ark regarding citizenship is correct. A Broad interpretation of Wong Kim Ark regarding "natural born citizenship" is not, but never the less that is predominantly how the legal system interprets it.

They are just wrong, but they have the power to ignore any criticism, so they don't care.

The politically easy answer is to make entry to citizenship very weak, and that is what they will do.

[DiogenesLamp]

A green card is not citizenship.

[SoConPubbie]

You keep saying that, yet It is obvious you haven't even looked at the contrary evidence. There is quite a LOT of evidence to support the point.

Sorry, but even though you are convinced that you have proved your point, you haven't.

I have looked at the contrary evidence, and your problem still rests with the idea that there is one, and only one, definition of a Natural Law version of Natural Born. This is not true.

[SoConPubbie]

All xzins gets out of it is "born citizen." He simply leaves off the word "natural" as having no purpose whatsoever.

Do yourself a favor and when referencing another freeper, ping him/her.

It's the polite thing to do.

[DiogenesLamp]

The whole two citizen parents and born on American soil definition of Natural Born Citizen did not even exist until after Obama was nominated.

From a book written in 1817, and based on the work of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.

[DiogenesLamp]

You win.

[DiogenesLamp]

Do yourself a favor and when referencing another freeper, ping him/her.

Couldn't remember how to spell it or I would have.

[DiogenesLamp]

That really is it for me folks. Be at peace, have a nice evening.

DL

[onyx]

Just trying to save you time and spare you grief. This has all been previously argued and discussed ad nauseum.

Post number's 556 and 559.

Be well, DiogenesLamp!

[BurningOak]

A green card is a path to citizenship, your claim that children do not need to apply for a citizenship is patently false.

[BurningOak]

The document you posted basically refutes what you are claiming.

Nowhere does it mention the idea that NBC = 2 citizen parents + born in the nation. Accordign to document: The mother is basically ignored and has no relevance to child’s status, the place of birth is overwritten by the father’s status, and Natural Born Citizenship is never mentioned.

[MamaTexan]

your claim that children do not need to apply for a citizenship is patently false

Minor children are automatically naturalized when their parents become citizens

US Citizenship and Immigration Services
http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/derivative-citizenship
Derivative Citizenship
Citizenship conveyed to children through the naturalization of parents or, under certain circumstances, to foreign-born children adopted by U.S. citizen parents, provided certain conditions are met.

[A CA Guy]

Minor children did not used to become naturalized as you say when their parents became citizens.

High school friend had parents from Argentina who became citizens. He applied to have his status changed as a minor which is much easier compared to applying as an adult.

[MamaTexan]

High school friend had parents from Argentina who became citizens. He applied to have his status changed as a minor which is much easier compared to applying as an adult.<

Do you always base your interpretation of the law solely by personal anecdote?

You basically just called someone a liar, yet the offical US position agrees with him.

[MamaTexan]

Nowhere does it mention the idea that NBC = 2 citizen parents + born in the nation.

Try this one

This definition was entered into the Congressional record of the House on March 9, 1866, in comments made by Rep. John Bingham on the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment.

(center column, 2nd paragraph)
“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen . . . ” John A. Bingham, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., (1866) [page 1291]
(http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332)

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Note the usage of the singular 'every human being' in conjunction with the plural 'parents'.

[BurningOak]

That is a really good find, good stuff.

Though he uses the world “every” not “only”. He gives the broadest definition but does not state that 2 citizen parents and native birth are required for NBC, only that they are sufficient.

[xzins]

No, I’m just focusing on the “born” part at the moment.

Natural will come later.

[xzins]

Nice document. Thanks.

[xzins]

No, it does no such thing. It says that at that time descent was passed through the father. Those days are in the past. The principle, though, was that one parent could pass on citizenship, and that has been retained in US law.

So, a natural born citizen includes those of the same blood descent as the citizen parent.