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Trooper's dashcam captures dramatic moment father on a road trip shoots officer ....
The Daily Mail Online ^ | October 4, 2013 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 10/05/2013 6:11:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

A dashboard camera in a state trooper's car has captured the dramatic moment a father taking his children on a road trip pulled out a gun and shot an officer who then returned fire and killed him.

John Van Allen, 34, was driving with three of his children when he was pulled over on Interstate 84 east of Portland, Oregon by Trooper Matt Zistel, 26, for speeding.

But what was supposed to be a routine traffic stop soon escalated into violence when Van Allen emerged from the car and, despite Zistel urging him to get back inside, pulled out a gun......

The dramatic footage was released to The Oregonian after a public information request from the paper following the August 29 death.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: PAR35

Sorry it is in the article, my bad.


41 posted on 10/05/2013 6:42:52 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PAR35

50 is nuts on an Interstate, its sixty here and the vast majority of the times the slower speed is not called for (no one working anywhere nearby). Where he is pulled over there is absolutely no sign of construction and I would bet a dime to a dollar the construction site is a speed trap. By that, cops pulling people over not for true safety reasons, but for pocketbook reasons.


42 posted on 10/05/2013 6:46:32 AM PDT by BushCountry (Obama: The dentist told me I need a crown. I was like I KNOW, RIGHT?)
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To: PAR35

“Not enough info here. 76 in a construction zone could be dangerous, depending on what is going on and how the zone is set up. I’m not willing to give this Trayvon any benefit of the doubt. “

I’m not trying to justify this incident or perp. I believe, though that the various police agencies have collectively
squandered the moral authority that formerly gave them respect and consequently kept them safe.


43 posted on 10/05/2013 6:46:39 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: cliniclinical

You’re right. This guy was fatally shot in the chest and was still shooting and made it back to his vehicle and drove half a mile. It shows why double triple and quadruple taps are necessary to stop attacks like these.


44 posted on 10/05/2013 6:46:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I would suggest to everyone that this is clearly some psychiatric drug at work. He was acting “military style”, and seemed to be clear headed. It is likely he was not even perceiving the officer as a policeman, but as something very different, like an Iraqi or Afghan insurgent.

Whatever this drug is, it is dangerous as all heck.


45 posted on 10/05/2013 6:47:18 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: Uncle Chip
'He would have never shot at a police official or anyone of the law,' his cousin, Will Wright III, said. 'He would not have missed the kill shot either.'

I guess homey needs to watch the video.

46 posted on 10/05/2013 6:47:30 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: TurkeyLurkey; All

>>Relatives said Allen, a father of five and an Army Reserve veteran who worked as a construction engineer between 2009 and 2012, was returning to his native South Carolina at the time of shooting.

Oregon to South Carolina. That’s a heck of a drive (taking his kids back to S.C.?)

People aren’t sure that he was shot by the officer. I was trying to freeze the video and thought I saw a bullet headed towards his chest but who knows; supposedly the car was found a half mile down the road. So if he’s that far it’s only a minute or two later—unless (far fetched) Van Allen pulled over and _shot himself_, despondent? Again, far fetched...more likely the cop shot him. Van Allen despite training: poor shot (Officer shot but it wasn’t serious). Officer: hit target apparently quite well maybe with just one shot...


47 posted on 10/05/2013 6:47:58 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: grumpygresh

What weapon was this guy holding in his army photo? Not plain vanilla m16 or variant, it seems...


48 posted on 10/05/2013 6:48:33 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Jonty30

Right? That was very odd.


49 posted on 10/05/2013 6:50:14 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: driftdiver

Could you see in the video WHEN the guy got hit?
After the initial exchange, the perp ducks behind the squad car for cover. Then he gets up and darts around looking for another chance to fire, and then decides to flee because the officer had obviously taken a defensive non-threatening position.

No way someone re-assumes an aggressive position like that without showing some signs of injury... especially one that ends up killing him 1/2 mile down the road.


50 posted on 10/05/2013 6:50:46 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Uncle Chip

“I’m safe, Holder and Obama will protect me”


51 posted on 10/05/2013 6:51:32 AM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: Safrguns

My guess it was a 9 mm bullet and the chest is a large area...unless you are hit in the heart you will bleed out slow....

Plus the adrenaline was pumping....

Not surprising at all....that video was real not hollyweird...


52 posted on 10/05/2013 6:52:22 AM PDT by Popman (Liberal wars are about killing people for humanitarian reasons...)
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To: raccoonradio; All

Wait a minute: About 1:10 into the video
Van Allen goes over to the right side of the police car as apparently the officer may have gone over to that side, and shoots:
—I think two shots are heard. The second is louder and could have been the fatal shot. The incredible part is, again, Van Allen doesn’t seem to be hurt

1:11—after the second shot—Van Allen is bent over. He’s then upright again, looks over to the left side of the police car (did the officer go back to that side?), goes back on the left side
Officer: 53, Shots fired!
..Van Allen holds the gun up again but decided against shooting and flees back to his car

Is 1:11 where he gets shot—and again if so why doesn’t he appear to be in agony? Again note he’s bent over for a moment as if he’s just been SHOT.


53 posted on 10/05/2013 6:53:33 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Safrguns

If the bullet in his chest came from that dashcam officer’s gun, as it apparently did, then he hit him.

Watch as he gets back into his car — he’s bent over as if in pain.


54 posted on 10/05/2013 6:53:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: cliniclinical
Notice how he continues to fight and engage after receiving a fatal wound, to my eye showing no signs of injury. It’s another interesting study in combat dynamics and shows you just how hard it can be to stop a determined aggressor.

Good point. Another argument that points out Democrats disarming citizens by imposing ridiculous round limits on magazines.

55 posted on 10/05/2013 6:56:03 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: raccoonradio

I just watched it again... it does look like he got shot on the right side of the car out of view of the dashcam.

Looks like the guy IS recovering from a partial knockdown, and flees to his car after the 2nd exchange.


56 posted on 10/05/2013 6:57:55 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: Uncle Chip

https://www.facebook.com/JCATT01

Stunning snapshot of everything that is wrong with the American/Black culture. All in a nutshell.

He wants peace, a good woman, a safe community - but every “like” is laced with bad choices, gangster admirations, profanity, and involvement with the idea that he is a Democrat victim group. An honest thinking person could write a thesis on this facebook page, but it would be totally un PC.


57 posted on 10/05/2013 6:58:35 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Washi

He is black and he’s wearing his desert BDUs. He was an Army reservist.


58 posted on 10/05/2013 7:01:56 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: BushCountry
The guys an idiot and deserves what he had coming to him, but he never should have been pulled over in the first place. He was going 76 mph on an Interstate. It must have been cop ticket quota time.

. Let's not cherry pick the facts and look like a cop brasher. Perp was a serial traffic menace based on past history, endangering the public and his kids since 2007.

. He was doing 76 in a 55 mph construction zone with workers present. He got everything he deserved and the cop should get 30 days paid vacation, $250,000 for cleaning the gene pool, and an attaboy award.

59 posted on 10/05/2013 7:02:02 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Bryanw92

You have hit it right on. You can see it on DU, between rants on how evil everything conservative is, they are complaining how in the past few years they can’t find jobs, find their healthcare is ruined, and everything is just getting worse. And if only Obama and HarryReid would doubledown and everything traditional family were destroyed, it would get better!


60 posted on 10/05/2013 7:02:27 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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