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To: redleghunter
redleghunter: "The Second Great Awakening clearly shows the full rejection of the Elightenment movement as our young nation entered the 19th century."

Granted, however the historical evidence strongly suggests that virtually all the "top tier" Founders were to more-or-less degree influenced by Enlightenment ideas.
That many Americans later rejected such ideas does not negate what our Founders believed when they first declared independence and later wrote the Constitution.

redleghunter: "The contention that George Washington did not write much about Jesus Christ is a weak pillar to lean on.
We do have as historical record the prayer book GW used quite often."

But nobody is leaning on that pillar.
The question on the table here is not whether Washington believed in Jesus Christ -- he obviously did -- but whether Washington accepted the full-blown Trinitarian explanation of Jesus.
In historical fact, there's no evidence Washington did, nor did most other Founders, indeed the opposite.

Let us again clearly note a striking exception: Washington's close friend John Jay, our first Chief Justice.

My purpose here is to defend our Founders, in that interval between Awakenings, when Enlightenment ideas (i.e., Freedom of Religion) supported their efforts to declare independence and craft a new Constitution.

Will you grant such ideas forbearance and respect, here on Free Republic?

2,745 posted on 01/03/2014 6:11:11 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK; GarySpFc; Gamecock
The question on the table here is not whether Washington believed in Jesus Christ -- he obviously did -- but whether Washington accepted the full-blown Trinitarian explanation of Jesus. In historical fact, there's no evidence Washington did, nor did most other Founders, indeed the opposite.

I think we have reached the point where you just like to repeat refuted statements. I posted three times the list of the Declaration signers and their Church affiliation. I conceded 4 of the 55 may be of your persuasion (whatever really that is) and the others were members of churches which had confessions of orthodox Protestant beliefs. Other than Carrol who was Roman Catholic, the remaining 51 signers were from churches which shared the Westminster Confession.

From the Westminster Confession, which is the confession of the majority of the Founders' churches:

CHAPTER II. Of God, and of the Holy Trinity.

I. There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory, most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and withal most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin; and who will by no means clear the guilty.

II. God hath all life, glory, goodness, blessedness, in and of himself; and is alone in and unto himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which he hath made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting his own glory in, by, unto, and upon them; he is the alone foundation of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom, are all things; and hath most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them, whatsoever himself pleaseth. In his sight all things are open and manifest; his knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature; so as nothing is to him contingent or uncertain. He is most holy in all his counsels, in all his works, and in all his commands. To him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience he is pleased to require of them.

III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.

2,749 posted on 01/03/2014 7:27:38 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: BroJoeK

Oh I forgot. You only commented on the 2nd Great Awakening. The 1st Great Awakening which I posted twice started in the 1730s and was the key element which caused the Enlightenment movement to be of little effect on colonial America.


2,751 posted on 01/03/2014 7:32:18 AM PST by redleghunter
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