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To: BroJoeK; GarySpFc; Gamecock
The question on the table here is not whether Washington believed in Jesus Christ -- he obviously did -- but whether Washington accepted the full-blown Trinitarian explanation of Jesus. In historical fact, there's no evidence Washington did, nor did most other Founders, indeed the opposite.

I think we have reached the point where you just like to repeat refuted statements. I posted three times the list of the Declaration signers and their Church affiliation. I conceded 4 of the 55 may be of your persuasion (whatever really that is) and the others were members of churches which had confessions of orthodox Protestant beliefs. Other than Carrol who was Roman Catholic, the remaining 51 signers were from churches which shared the Westminster Confession.

From the Westminster Confession, which is the confession of the majority of the Founders' churches:

CHAPTER II. Of God, and of the Holy Trinity.

I. There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory, most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and withal most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin; and who will by no means clear the guilty.

II. God hath all life, glory, goodness, blessedness, in and of himself; and is alone in and unto himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which he hath made, nor deriving any glory from them, but only manifesting his own glory in, by, unto, and upon them; he is the alone foundation of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom, are all things; and hath most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them, whatsoever himself pleaseth. In his sight all things are open and manifest; his knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature; so as nothing is to him contingent or uncertain. He is most holy in all his counsels, in all his works, and in all his commands. To him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience he is pleased to require of them.

III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.

2,749 posted on 01/03/2014 7:27:38 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter; betty boop; Kevmo
The poster appears to be following an agenda which is growing more clear with each twisted post. With 2014 elections approaching, the division of conservatives from fundamental conservative History is planned to allow democrip divide and conquer to once again prevent the removal of demon-spawn progressives from power.

The poster is purposely twisting whatever is posted to him/her/it in order to fabricate a schism between conservatives and the founding principles of this dying being murdered Republic. Apparently someone connected to the current demonic regime has determined that separating conservatives from the Founders' values will divide sufficiently to allow the liars to prevent their removal from power. Dissonance serves the agenda ...

2,752 posted on 01/03/2014 8:14:16 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: redleghunter
redleghunter: "I think we have reached the point where you just like to repeat refuted statements.
I posted three times the list of the Declaration signers and their Church affiliation.
I conceded 4 of the 55 may be of your persuasion "

I'm saying that your listing is incomplete.
If you look up each individual in the "top tier" of our Founders -- Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Hamiltion -- you'll find that all of them were, as I've said here before, to a more-or-less degree influenced by Enlightenment Age ideas on theism/deism, Unitarian and/or Freemasonry.
All of those men are considered Christians, yet none (so far as I know) ever expressed a belief in full-blown Trinitarian theology.

Surely, George Washington himself was typical of our Founders.
Here is a discussion of his religious beliefs.

That's why I'm here defending them against possible claims of "Damnable Heresy".

2,760 posted on 01/03/2014 9:51:11 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: redleghunter; BroJoeK; GarySpFc; Gamecock; Kevmo; spirited irish; betty boop
III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son.

Thank you for posting that excerpt from the Westminster Confession. I believe it succinctly defines what ALL genuine Christians believe about who Jesus Christ truly is and what His relationship to the Godhead comprises. Those such as BroJoeK and those with whom he claims common ground (the 50 million worldwide compared to the BILLION+ Trinitarian Christians), deny this historical AND Biblical doctrine because they have determined to know God and Jesus Christ on their own terms, with their own ways of defining Him whether or not it comports with the Divinely revealed truth of God's word.

I liken this abstinence to the do-it-yourselfer (DIYer) who buys a car and summarily tosses out the owners manual. Instead of following the manufacturer's detailed instructions - designed to allow the consumer the ability to get the best benefits from his purchase - the DIYer ignores best practices and presumes he knows better and rejects being told what to do, anyway. Instead of using the correct weight oil, for example, he decides to use maple syrup. Instead of the right grade of gasoline, he uses cheap vodka. Instead of the proper PSI for the tires, he kinda likes the idea of helium. Now imagine what happens when he starts up his car?

Almighty God has revealed what is truth to His creation. He did so through creation (Romans 1) as well as through His prophets - speaking the words HE told them to write down. The truth is what God says is the truth. He demands obedience and promises judgment on those who reject the truth. Truth is not relative, but absolute. He designed us, He knows what is best for us, He rewards obedience and judges disobedience. He didn't just leave it up to us to figure it all out on our own - that's why He preserved His word. If someone chooses to go it alone (or with a group of other "loners") he/they will answer to God for it.

Christians didn't invent the Trinity - they saw it for themselves through the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles along with the leading of the Holy Spirit. It is a revealed truth and something God expects us to believe (have faith) whether or not we understand it. Don't expect Almighty God to honor or respect or forbear disobedience. He won't. He judges it AS error - else He wouldn't have bothered giving us the Owner's Manual.

2,780 posted on 01/03/2014 2:43:11 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: redleghunter

I think we have reached the point where you just like to repeat refuted statements.
***He’s been doing that all throughout the thread. It’s Trolling 101 behavior.


2,799 posted on 01/03/2014 9:07:30 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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