There are some who desire truth above all else and those who don’t. The entirety of your response is a reaction against truth that arrogantly dresses itself up in the words of St. Augustine and Aquinas. What do these faithful believers who loved truth have to do with hatred of truth? Nothing. And if they were alive now, what would these two faithful believers have to do with the apostasy of evolutionary pantheist religionists? Other than strongly rebuking it they would have nothing to do with
it, for what has the Temple of the living, personal God to do with idols (evolutionary pantheism)? 2 Cor.6:16
Years ago, long-time Vatican observer Malachi Martin (1921-1999) described a situation in which the Curia is divided between ‘progressive’ (evolutionary pantheists) and ‘traditionalists;’ between adherents of evolutionary conceptions such as Teilhard de Chardin’s Hermetic, quasi-Hindu idea, abortion, women and ‘gay’ priests, and openness to non-Christian nature religions and philosophies and those who oppose such an agenda. According to Martin, ‘progressives’ hold all the important positions of power, and so are able to bring about a major revolution that if unchecked will constitute,
“....one of the most spectacular expressions of apostasy in the modern era, dressed up in all the traditional robes and much of the terminology of Christianity but denying its essence.” (ibid, Jesus and the Den of Thieves, SCP Journal, Jones, p. 17)
With every word you have written you declare your unity with apostasy disguised as ‘science’ and dressed up in the traditional robes and terminology of Christianity but denying the living, personal Holy God in three persons in favor of evolutionary conceptions speaking of a pantheist entity in process of becoming.
I am sorry to tell you, but Sts. Augustine and Aquinas said what they said, and if their truths hurt you, then you might just stop and minute and ask yourself why?
Aquinas (†1274) clearly recognized the difference between theology based on the Bible, and natural-philosophy (aka "science") derived from our senses.
Aquinas did not expect they would conflict, but ever since his time, example after example has arisen where they seem to.
However, as early as St. Augustine of Hippo (†430 AD) the Church clearly recognized it is entirely possible for people to quote the Bible exactly, while drawing from it the wrong lessons, indeed lessons which "bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren..."
I think the lessons from both are: 1) science and theology are separate fields, and 2) just because somebody can quote you chapter and verse from the Bible, doesn't make their understanding necessarily correct.
spirited irish: "if they were alive now, what would these two faithful believers have to do with the apostasy of evolutionary pantheist religionists?
Other than strongly rebuking it they would have nothing to do with it."
But nobody here is advocating "evolutionary pantheist religion".
What we are defending is science itself, against the assaults of anti-science anti-evolutionists.
spirited irish: "Years ago, long-time Vatican observer Malachi Martin (1921-1999) described a situation in which the Curia is divided between ‘progressive’ (evolutionary pantheists) and ‘traditionalists;’ between adherents of evolutionary conceptions such as Teilhard de Chardin’s Hermetic, quasi-Hindu idea, abortion, women and ‘gay’ priests, and openness to non-Christian nature religions and philosophies and those who oppose such an agenda.
"According to Martin, ‘progressives’ hold all the important positions of power."
FRiend, spirited irish, does it not give you even a moment's pause to be accusing your entire church hierarchy, including two soon-to-be-named saints (John XXIII & John Paull II) of a heresy fundamentally opposed to basic Catholic teachings?
Of course, my Mennonite ancestors, who opposed the whole idea of hierarchy, and suffered persecution from both Catholic and Protestant churches, they would not be so surprised at your accusations.
But I've seen no evidence to support your claims, and I think the two Popes fully deserve whatever recognition the Church can give them.
spirited irish: "With every word you have written you declare your unity with apostasy disguised as ‘science’ and dressed up in the traditional robes and terminology of Christianity but denying the living, personal Holy God in three persons in favor of evolutionary conceptions speaking of a pantheist entity in process of becoming."
Sorry, but that is false to the core, and you should be ashamed of yourself for so eagerly bearing false witness against me.
Of course, I would forgive you, since you obviously know not what you're saying.
But there is a sterner Judge you must eventually face, FRiend.
So don't be so quick to condemn what you obviously don't understand.