Falling Stars, Damnable Heresy, and the Spirit of Evolution

Renew America ^ | Sept. 19, 2013 | Linda Kimball

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo: "***The troll repeats his argument.
You are not a reasonable person, you are a heretic trying to push a damnable heresy onto FR.
God has very harsh things to say about spiritual A$$#()[3s like you."

Kevmo/Christ repeats his baseless accusations.

First Kevmo claims to be Jesus, now to be God himself?
And on top of that, Kevmo quotes from Gospel accounts of Jesus condemnation of "spiritual A$$#()[3S"

Can you please cite chapter & verse for such language?

[Kevmo]

First Kevmo claims to be Jesus, now to be God himself?
***Wow, heretic, you really have gone off the deep end.

[Kevmo]

Like hell you did.
***Well, aren’t you full of vehemence, especially for a troll who doesn’t honestly answer my questions.

[tacticalogic]

***Well, aren’t you full of vehemence, especially for a troll who doesn’t honestly answer my questions.

Is that a question or a statement?

[Kevmo]

Yes

T4BTT

[tacticalogic]

That’s how sophistry works.

[Kevmo]

T4BTT

[tacticalogic]

T4BTT

It's not nice to spam a thread.

[Kevmo]

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[BroJoeK]

Kevmo: "Well, by post #1667, YHAOS has already accused you of being a troll."

FRiend, I know how difficult this is for you, and how utterly confused you are, but YHAOS term "troll" was not addressed to yours truly, BroJoeK, but to tacticalogic.
Nor did YHAOS accuse tacticalogic of being a troll, only suggested that trolls on FR tend to eliminate themselves.

Kevmo quoting BJK: "There is no possible way — zero, zip, nada — that Romans would crucify anybody for the “crime” of blasphemy.

Kevmo responding: "***by the way, here you were simply arguing over & over again against something that I didn’t say, if anything it was a simple typo."

And this quote justifies which one of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo: "***YHAOS is correct here, and those posts where your disrespect and contempt came out would have been deleted."

Language in News/Activism forums is sometimes more rough-and-tumble than Religion forums.
And this justifies which of your accusations against me?

Kevmo quoting BJK: "But Ms irish’s accusations against Freemasons, especially our Founders’ Freemasonry, are not serious."

Kevmo responding: "***Here the mod would say you’re projecting and mind reading, not allowed."

Seriously? I can't imagine it.
BTW, the word "serious" in my sentence above refers to the "seriousness" of irish's accusations, not the "seriousness" of her mindset.
As such, it is a factual statement, and your accusations are ridiculous.

Kevmo quoting BJK: "Instead, they are the product of a mis-informed and malice-intending mind."

Kevmo responding: " ***the RM would definitely delete the post due to this statement.
Such provocations are not allowed even on open religion threads."

FRiend, I do "get" that you are highly confused and emotionally disturbed by the strong distinctions which Free Republic allows between its Religion Forum and News/Activism.
The truth is that my language here has been blunt, but very mild and restrained, even by News/Activism standards.

So, if you have a problem with that, then it is your problem, and you need to get help, and get over it.

Kevmo quoting BJK: " FRiend, I know that’s what you really intended to say"

Kevmo responding: "Post 1691, mind reading is not allowed"

But my post #1691 was simply a humorous/sarcastic response to some totally ridiculous accusations.
Even granting your claim (which I can't verify) that such responses are not allowed in Religion Forum, they are totally acceptable here, and indeed are the standard response to false accusations.

But to the point here: how does this quote justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo quoting BJK: " Yes, I “get” that you wish to focus, focus, focus on the guilt of the Jews, but I don’t see it that way."

Kevmo responding: "Post 1680 would definitely get removed and probably get you a warning from the mod."

Oh, and yet, despite your denials, isn't that precisely the effect of your letting Pilate off the hook for his role?
And how does this quote justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo quoting BJK: "Post #1790 What is your problem, FRiend, do you think I’m making this up?"

Kevmo responding: "***Such hostility aint allowed. Would have been removed."

But perfectly acceptable on a News/Activism thread.
And how, exactly, does this justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo: "Post #1734, you push Crossan.
Since he’s a heretic, such garbage wouldn’t be allowed on caucus threads, but perhaps the religion mod would allow it on open threads."

Sorry, FRiend, but Crossan is not a "heretic", he's a historian.
Only in your sick mind does "history" equal "heresy".

Kevmo quoting BJK: "This is a major issue with Kevmo, who seems pretty confused on the subject."

Kevmo responding: "Post #1740, making it personal.
Probably would get removed."

Perfectly acceptable for a News/Activism thread.
And how, exactly, does this justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo: "Somewhere in there you are pushing freemasonry garbage.
That stuff wouldn’t be allowed on caucus threads.
Probably would be allowed on open threads."

Freemasonry was practiced by our Founding Fathers.
Do you not "get" that I am here defending their religious ideas?
Are you telling us that our Founding Fathers would not be allowed on a Free Republic Religion forum thread?

And your authority for this assertion is what, exactly, Kevmo?
And how, exactly, does this justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo: "***By the way, here you start just being a plain troll, because you just repeat the same thing over and over again.
But apparently trolling is allowed on open religion threads, not caucus threads."

FRiends, where in the world do you ever get the idea that you are permitted to repeat your own arguments endlessly, but somehow BroJoeK is restricted to one time only in responding?

You have to know, that's just nuts.
If you wish to see BroJoeK stop repeating my responses, then stop repeating your yours.

And how, exactly, does this justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo quoting BJK: "So why you continue to deny the obvious truth of this matter is beyond me."

Kevmo responding: "In post #1805 you attribute your own theory to a fact of history.
It is likely that the religion mod would not allow such obvious falsehoods, especially when accompanied by hostility."

But the obvious hostility is all yours, FRiend.
My statements are all truthful, to the best of my knowledge.
By that same standard, almost none of your are.
Sorry, but that's a fact.

And how, exactly, does this justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo: "By post #1826, your sarcasm is dripping and it’s likely that most of your posts after that would be removed."

Kevmo quoting BJK: "FRiend, you are deeply, deeply confused about the difference between “history” and “religious faith”.
Your religious faith drives you to justify what the Bible says, and to ignore all other data."

Kevmo responding: "***Such statements are typically deleted and if this happens more than a couple of times, the religion mod asks you to leave the thread."

But they are acceptable in News/Activism threads, and so what is your problem?
And how, exactly, does this justify any of your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK?

Kevmo: "Go ahead and log onto some caucus or ecumenical threads to see how many of your hostile posts get deleted.
Maybe the religion mod allows some of your unhistorical heresy on some threads, maybe not.
But by the 1820’s on this thread, you’re a troll, a heretic, and have set the tone for a brouhaha."

But, but, but... dear FRiend, I did not go to your world.
I did not take onto myself your rules.

You came to, in effect, "my world" -- News/Activism.
The rules here are laxer, and when you start spreading BS, we call you on it HERE.
You don't get away with it here, and you can't hide behind the mods here.

Bottom line: nothing, nothing you've posted here justifies in any way your accusations against yours truly, BroJoeK.

[BroJoeK]

Anton.Rutter: "Bookmarking this thread for when someone asks me why I no longer call myself Christian."

Please don't give up on us.
There is always hope for sick minds...

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo: "You hear that, Spirited? I’m your sock puppet. And he doubts MY sanity!"

Will somebody cite and example of disagreement between spirited irish and Kevmo?
It appears to me that you speak with one voice.
No "conspiracy theory" there, just fact.

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo: "***Murderous? Where do you get that? Such bowlsheet would obviously be removed on a religion thread."

FRiend, until recent years "heresy" was a capital offense, for which people were burned at the stake, sometimes drawn and quartered.
To accuse somebody of "heresy" then was a threat to have them murdered, and especially when the charge was false, the accusation itself was about as wicked as a person could get.

Today the charge of "heresy" is not a murder threat, but it is still, if not seriously justified, a very serious false accusation.
You will know how serious the charge is when you consider that such obvious candidates as Nancy Pelosi and Adolf Hitler were never formally charged.

Yours truly, BroJoeK, is far from "heretical" in any of my beliefs, and your accusations here are way, way out of line, even for the lax standards of a News/Activism forum.

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo to tacticalogic: "But it is no mistake to bring attention to your trolling behavior over so many years."

Sorry, but there is no possible definition of the word "troll" met by tacticalogic's 100% reasonable responses to often ridiculous nonsense.

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo: "When Romans 16 mentions Erastus as the city Treasurer and we can see for ourselves an inscription that says exactly the same thing, it is an intersection with undeniable historicity."

Of course, and there are plenty of other examples similar to that.
All of those examples qualify as pure "history".
But they are still part of the religious message taught by the Bible.

Do you "get" that: the Bible is 100% religion, much of which can be confirmed historically and scientifically?
Really, that's not a difficult concept to grasp, if you put your mind to it.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

“Troll” = Those who do not open up and swallow unquestionably that which Kevmo decides to feed them (in between tantrums, of course).

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo quoting John 1:2: "The Word became flesh and we beheld His glory, the the glory of the one and only Son,.... "

Kevmo: "This and other scriptures you call “Proof Texts” and deny their simple meaning because you are pushing the heresy of denying the Deity of Christ."

First, dear FRiend, I again ask you to quote my words where I "deny the Deity of Christ".
Unless I've been somehow very careless, I haven't done that.

Second, Jesus himself is never quoted as claiming to be God Himself.

Third, there are indeed other interpretations for John's language, interpretations which certainly would not interest Kevmo in the least, and of which I'd never attempt to persuade you.
But let me at least tell you what those interpretations do, because they are important to understanding our Founding Fathers' deistic-Unitarian Christianity.
Those interpretations allow for the divinity of Christ while maintaining the Unity of God -- hence the term "Unitarian".

Kevmo: "***Other than the fact that you’ve been twisting what the bible says and pushing heretical teachings onto this thread, that’s a very noble sentiment."

In fact, I've "twisted" nothing.
I've only quoted chapter & verse as necessary.
Your interpretation of my words as "heresy" is unjustifiable.

[BroJoeK]

Anton.Rutter: "Love Christ. Avoid His followers."

Thank you for your support, I appreciate your kind words.
I am not afraid of poor souls like Kevmo.
They need professional theological help, which I can't give, but may just possibly motivate them to seek.

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo: "You skipped 500 years, right to where Jesus, who was God Himself, says that heretics like you are worthy of less than contempt.
He calls you “sons of your father the devil” for spreading false teachings.
Of course, you would accuse Jesus of not being Christ like when He does such a thing."

No, in all of John 8, Jesus was talking directly to men who denied that Jesus is Son of God.
I've done no such thing.

Your accusations are false, FRiend.

[BroJoeK]

Kevmo: "***Bowlsheet, heretic.
You want to argue that what you call “proof texts” don’t actually say what they do, that’s your business, but it is still heresy."

No, I argue that they say what they say.
You have interpreted them to mean something different.
I don't dispute that your interpretations are historically "orthodox".

But among history's unorthodox Christians were our Founding Fathers, and I'm here to defend their views.

I utterly reject your accusation that they were "damnable heretics".