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Personally, I think the citizens own the school grounds and not the politicians. Therefore, as an adult, I tolerate lots of harmless talk with which I might disagree when I'm on property owned by the public. That is the heart of what the Bill of Rights means by "free speech." Everyone has ideas and expresses them at some point in time. We can employ speech and thought police to make everyone say only approved things, or we can simply admit that it really doesn't harm anyone for folks to express themselves. We just need to accept freedom and, like the adults we're supposed to be, simply get on with life.

Religious speech is even more protected in the constitution. The easiest way to handle religion is not a host of rules and times when its allowed is what the Founders decided. They decided that "free exercise" is the best way to handle religion. Be an adult. Lots of folks have different ideas on these things. Leave them alone. All its doing is voicing ideas.

In short, I think that required neutral speech is a violation of free speech. It is the government forcing an established neutral religion when it involves allowed versus disallowed religious speech or conduct. Leave them alone.

Finally, leaving that sane interpretation of the Constitution and turning to the courts' chaotic interpretation, to the extent they allow other speech by parents at that school in the morning, they are discriminating against religious speech. If that Mom is one of many moms speaking loud enough to be heard prior to school, then it's nobody's business that her mouth is speaking words of prayer instead of words of sports, academics, gossip, or weather. Leave her alone.

1 posted on 08/09/2013 3:28:00 AM PDT by xzins
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Will someone please inform the Nanncy Grace clone of the Freedom From Religion Foundation that the words are “freedom of religion” not “freedom from religion”


2 posted on 08/09/2013 3:31:49 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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She was recently told by school officials that the prayers were not welcome after someone filed a complaint with the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

SEIU rules Concord with an iron fist...none of that G-d stuff will be tolerated here.

3 posted on 08/09/2013 3:36:49 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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I wonder if they stopped people from praying at Sandy Hook? Or are we only allowed to pray for the dead, not the living?


5 posted on 08/09/2013 3:44:10 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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The mom is silly for praying because of bullets (cartridges?). The FFRF is criminal for interfering with her constitutional right to the free exercise of religion. If the general public is permitted on school grounds, then we are permitted to pray there, and any legitimate government would recognize that. Unfortunately, we have Obama and his followers - and the FFRF.


6 posted on 08/09/2013 3:44:35 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Even if you believe in a separation of church and state, you have to admit this woman is not the state nor is she a church. Neither are students.


9 posted on 08/09/2013 3:50:03 AM PDT by GeronL
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Go to a park, sit on the bench and hold the bible and pray.

Are you violating a separation of church and state?

lolz

of course not

(it doesn’t exist like that anyway)


10 posted on 08/09/2013 3:51:29 AM PDT by GeronL
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She must have forgotten her prayer rug.


11 posted on 08/09/2013 3:57:10 AM PDT by sneakers
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This is NOT an issue of Separation of Church and State.

Freedom From Religion Foundation

There is NO Constitutional basis for what these people are doing.

15 posted on 08/09/2013 4:20:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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We need to go ahead and divide ourselves from those that wish to live under communism and satan.


16 posted on 08/09/2013 4:29:02 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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I guess I am in for it again.

I am sure that a woman standing praying aloud every day the kids enter school becomes disturbing to them after a while.

Not sure where she stood or how loud she was but I believe after a while it becomes more like she is haunting the school than doing any good. She becomes a nut case.

I agree with the system here ,it’s a bit like the Hari Krishna’s at the airport.


18 posted on 08/09/2013 4:39:27 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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This is the equivalent of Vito saying to a store owner, “Don’t say anything against Don Corleone!” It is a pressure group using its fellow travelers and the threat of lawsuit to modify behavior of 3rd parties.

Note that the “Freedom from Religion” organization only had to write a letter to the school, likely a canned form letter saying that religion had been seen on school grounds. Probably an already atheistic school administration seized upon that crutch to forbid LEGAL 1st AMENDMENT rights. If questioned, the threat of a lawsuit would be used as justification.

The answer to these radical sectarians like this FFRF and ACLU is to tell them to bring it on. If they got universal blow-back they would exaust their money quickly and be legally insignificant.


19 posted on 08/09/2013 4:42:12 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government governs best when it governs least!)
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What part of “the free exercise” clause regarding religious expression does this school district not understand? No government authority is ordering her to pray. She is free to express her prayers to God any where in this country.


20 posted on 08/09/2013 4:44:55 AM PDT by txrefugee
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My take....

When my children were young (& yes, they went to public school) I belonged to a 'praying group of moms' and every week we would gather together at one of our homes to lift up the school, our children, the teachers, the administration, the school board, etc.

We also gently insinuated ourselves into the workings of the school......being first to volunteer for events, or helping the teachers....or even taking cookies on special days of the year...to show the teachers and administration we were there to support AND that we prayed for them.

However, if and when there were circumstances that alerted or alarmed us about the school..... the administration would hear us out, and usually take action to correct ....whatever was the problem....because we were visible & they knew we were serious.

We prayed constantly....

...and our little group was actually part of a larger well known praying group in our nation.

I realize schools have changed greatly since my children have grown.....but they need prayer more than ever!

21 posted on 08/09/2013 4:54:58 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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Putting on my asbestos...but I have to say I feel sorry for her kids. Teens can be ugly to one another and having mom (Lizarda?!?) day in day out, creating a scene can’t good for her kids.

I totally agree that she has religious freedom to pra in piblic, but does she believe that her prayers/intentions will not rise up if she does so in a less dramatic fashion?

Go ahead, flame me! I’m a mom, scorch proof!


22 posted on 08/09/2013 4:55:42 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...)
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God will still hear her petition, even if she prays privately - “in a closet,” as Jesus instructed.


23 posted on 08/09/2013 4:58:22 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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John Adams— Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.


29 posted on 08/09/2013 5:07:09 AM PDT by V K Lee
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She should ask them to publicly tell her who the complainant is.
Without a name she shouldn't stop.
With a name, she should say 2 prayers.
:-)
32 posted on 08/09/2013 5:09:13 AM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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“Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...”
— Amendment I, Constitution of the United States

“Congress shall make no law regarding an establisment of Christianity, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof unless some sourpuss atheist or pliable bureaucrat objects and the religion in question is Christianity ...”
— Amendment I, Liberal Constitution and Wrapping Paper


39 posted on 08/09/2013 5:43:15 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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They have the right to keep her off school grounds.
But would they do the same thing if it were subhuman savages chanting their pseudo-religious slogans?


40 posted on 08/09/2013 5:46:34 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Liberalism is contrary to human nature. Promoting liberalism comes from a strong hatred of self.)
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In the minds of school officials, public prayer is offensive. In their minds, whether they acknowledge it or not, neutralism in religion means atheism, but that that, after all, is the default between theism and atheism.


43 posted on 08/09/2013 6:00:14 AM PDT by RobbyS
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