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T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security
New York Times ^ | 08/06/2013 | RON NIXON

Posted on 08/06/2013 8:18:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON — As hundreds of commuters emerged from Amtrak and commuter trains at Union Station on a recent morning, an armed squad of men and women dressed in bulletproof vests made their way through the crowds.

The squad was not with the Washington police department or Amtrak’s police force, but was one of the Transportation Security Administration’s Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response squads — VIPR teams for short — assigned to perform random security sweeps to prevent terrorist attacks at transportation hubs across the United States.

“The T.S.A., huh,” said Donald Neubauer of Greenville, Ohio, as he walked past the squad. “I thought they were just at the airports.”

With little fanfare, the agency best known for airport screenings has vastly expanded its reach to sporting events, music festivals, rodeos, highway weigh stations and train terminals. Not everyone is happy.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airport; communism; federalpolice; govtabuse; graham; illegal; insecurity; marxism; mccain; militarizedpolice; nationalpolice; ndaa; obama; obamapoliceforce; obamasfault; policestate; scandals; security; stopdropandcower; tsa; tsaisajoke; tyranny
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To: SeekAndFind
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TSA troopers like these will soon arrive in YOUR town/neighborhood to assure your complete safety.


41 posted on 08/06/2013 10:35:19 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire)
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To: Still Thinking

They don’t have jurisdiction. Without a warrant, they aren’t searching me.

If they persist, my lawyer will have them for lunch.


42 posted on 08/06/2013 10:36:51 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: All

There _is_ no Federal police power. This is/was well established until what? changed it?

Barely one person on even FR knows this or mentions it...


43 posted on 08/06/2013 10:50:53 AM PDT by veracious
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To: Carry_Okie
>>Tell that to GONZALES v. RAICH, which said: even if there is no interstate market, the federal government can still regulate intrastate commerce because if there was a market, they could regulate that.
>
> There is no possibility of an interstate market on a commuter train that doesn't go anywhere close to a state line.

You know that, I know that, everyone knows that.
And yet it is still the legal reasoning that they give.

>> Despite the logical nullity, this is the reasoning that they use.
>
> I have long dispensed with the bogus rationales of the black robes as regards the plain interpretation of constitutionality.

I have thought, for a while now, that they should be made to live with the consequences of their decisions. Remember Kelo, well, what if we had all the local county guys seize all the Justices's private property under made up numbers (projections) that this would increase levied tax by some amount. The suspension of Habeus Corpus and indefinite detention [without charges] is legitimate? Well lock the justices up in barren rooms with only food and water and a private tasked to retrieve for them writing utensils and law books. — then see how long it takes them to reverse their decisions.

Seriously, some of the problems we face can be eradicated quickly by making the elite ruling class live by the rules they impose.

44 posted on 08/06/2013 10:56:42 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Stormdog

>> These wannabees are conducting roadblocks. <<

Do you know where these roadblocks are happening?


45 posted on 08/06/2013 11:29:05 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Remember Kelo, well, what if we had all the local county guys seize all the Justices's private property under made up numbers (projections) that this would increase levied tax by some amount.

By Tenth Amendment standards, Kelo was correctly decided, even though the New London assertion of an eminent domain taking was itself an abomination. The result was that some states instituted MORE stringent property rights protections than the Fifth Amendment offers, while others continue on the corrupt path to ruin. The result of the ruling is that Natural Law will assure the outcome, which is a wise course in most instances of offering the temptation to centralize enforcement powers.

...well, what if we had all the local county guys seize all the Justices's private property under made up numbers (projections) that this would increase levied tax by some amount.

It's analogous to knowing where the police and bureaucrats keep their houses.

Seriously, some of the problems we face can be eradicated quickly by making the "elite ruling class" live by the rules they impose.

No argument there.

46 posted on 08/06/2013 11:39:28 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie
By Tenth Amendment standards, Kelo was correctly decided, even though the New London assertion of an eminent domain taking was itself an abomination. The result was that some states instituted MORE stringent property rights protections than the Fifth Amendment offers, while others continue on the corrupt path to ruin. The result of the ruling is that Natural Law will assure the outcome, which is a wise course in most instances of offering the temptation to centralize enforcement powers.

Disagreed very much; the use of eminent domain in the fifth says that it's for public use — handing over the seized property to a private development company for commercial [IIRC] development is not public use.

47 posted on 08/06/2013 11:44:43 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: justlurking

RE: If they persist, my lawyer will have them for lunch.

You’ll be suing the government. How much money and time do you have?


48 posted on 08/06/2013 11:45:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you very f’ing much Geo W Bush.


49 posted on 08/06/2013 11:47:46 AM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: SeekAndFind
T.S.A. officials respond that the random searches are “special needs” or “administrative searches” that are exempt from probable cause because they further the government’s need to prevent terrorist attacks.

Bulls#$t!

50 posted on 08/06/2013 11:48:18 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: OneWingedShark
Disagreed very much; the use of eminent domain in the fifth says that it's "for public use" —

Only if you incorporate the Fifth Amendment under the 14th.

There is a long history of precedent of eminent domain takings for private benefit by the states going back to the early days of railroads and barge companies. In fact, Abraham Lincoln made his political name by rigging such deals, a corporate RINO from the get-go if you will.

So, yes the taking by New London for a private entity was an abomination. As to whether it should fall under the purvey of the Federal government to enforce the Fifth Amendment against the states, please consider this article. I am not sure you have considered the unintended consequences of such a preference.

51 posted on 08/06/2013 11:49:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie
So, yes the taking by New London for a private entity was an abomination. As to whether it should fall under the purvey of the Federal government to enforce the Fifth Amendment against the states, please consider this article. I am not sure you have considered the unintended consequences of such a preference.

Incorporation is another disaster. But I was arguing it on even their [the court's] own terms. As it is I really dislike incorporation: where else can we take the bill of rights, apply magic, and get something that utterly binds the States to the will of the Federal government?

The best, and most obvious, example is the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The restriction is placed on Congress, not the legislature, so applying the text as-is would do nothing to the States as they don't have a congress. So in order for the First Amendment to have any impact on the States it has to be altered in some way. How does this happen? Magic!
(Or, I suppose, a judge with a hat and some magic stones could do it.)
52 posted on 08/06/2013 12:05:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
But I was arguing it on even their [the court's] own terms.

Please make that clear; else you waste our time. Kelo was correctly decided. I still think you'd profit by the article, but then, I wrote it.

53 posted on 08/06/2013 12:17:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any morons out here that didn’t see this coming?

Who started this giant bloated, costly new government program/department

Who oversaw and helped create this TSA monstrosity?

Bush again!


54 posted on 08/06/2013 12:46:46 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rodeos? If there is one bunch of folks who can take care of themselves it’s cowboys. Don’t show up at a rodeo wearing a burka or asshat.


55 posted on 08/06/2013 1:02:08 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just curious. Were there any white “agents” in attendance?


56 posted on 08/06/2013 2:23:44 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: Vigilanteman

And soon the TSA will be at Miss America and other beauty contests....


57 posted on 08/06/2013 2:36:01 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: justlurking

Have you forgotten the Patriot Act? Bush gave up most of your rights for you when he signed that treasonous piece of paper.

I don’t know but I suspect that if you read the small print you’ll find that when you purchase a ticket to ride on public transportation you are also agreeing to meekly obey the commands of their security officers.


58 posted on 08/06/2013 4:58:29 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Vigilanteman
More security theater to enforce the Obama Doctrine: Every citizen, a potential terrorist; every terrorist, a potential higher breed of citizen.

Don't forget the Republicans that enabled this under the Bush administration. It would easier to deal with this if this just a liberal/Democrat thing, but it's not.
59 posted on 08/06/2013 5:06:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: SeekAndFind

Gotta make sure we are protecting against creepy cracker domestic terrorists who are clinging to their bibles and guns.


60 posted on 08/06/2013 5:09:15 PM PDT by rdcbn
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