Posted on 07/31/2013 9:50:25 AM PDT by Nachum
When President Obama said Ho Chi Minh – the North Vietnamese communist revolutionary who led the war effort against the U.S. that cost almost 60,000 American lives – was a fan of the U.S. Constitution and Thomas Jefferson, he was echoing what an influential new book calls one of the most deadly communist disinformation campaigns in American history.
During a White House meeting with Vietnam’s President Truong Tan Sang last Thursday, Obama said he and Sang “discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson.”
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I find it odd that John McCain hasn’t spoken about this; Mr. Straight Talk Express, now Mr. Cross the Aisles for the Good of the Country to be Bipartisan is strangely mum when his newfound friend in the White House puts out garbage comparing a murderous communist in Hanoi to the Founding Fathers of the US.
Daddy (whichever of the three suspects he was), Mommie a Commie (didn’t she meet one of the suspects during Russian lessons, that it was so fashionable to take before Solzhenitsyn?), diapers red, what did ya expect, Lucy?!
“...On behalf of myself and all of the other Vietnam vets on FR, I just have to say it is no laughing matter...”
You’re not alone. I don’t it funny either when the supposed leader of the Free World lauds a subversive enemy. But then, that’s par for the course with this guy and his party, isn’t it.
And Welcome Home, friend, and Thank you. What those people in that party did to Vietnam veterans - and continue to do to the country - is a shameful stain on them.
Personally, I am inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson to take actions Obama might not approve of.
McCain sold out to the VC as quickly as he could. His cowardice was part and parcel of the infamy that brought our military down. He has been an apologist for communism since he ditched his plane in Hanoi.
My hoe she minkh Nudger is L&L`d
I was active in the early days of the antiwar movement in Cambridge, Mass. The influence of the CP was powerful. They edited all publications, provided all needed money, and directed every step of the movement. They worked with leadership and ran a very tight ship. I could not get any article published in the movement organs without CP deep editing. The Marxist influence was powerful right from the beginning. Even then many did not see it or understand. I left the movement almost as soon as I entered it because of the control exerted by the Communists.
And finally, Obama is not ignorant of his influence. He is a devout Communist with deep Marxist training. His entire life, by his own admission, has been aligned with Communism. There are many on the left who are simply stupid. That does not, however, include the leadership. Hillary is similarly devoted. She stepped aside for Obama as ordered. Their allegiance to the Party as Fellow Travellers supercedes any personal animosity.
I totally believe and agree with this. I think some of these points have been made by Horowitz in many of his writings as well. Communist disinformation is with us to this very day in much or our political vocabulary and many of the commonly espoused views.
It’s not that people are ignorant that bothers me the most, because life can keep you busy enough on it’s own. It’s when you begin to explain what is going on, and how it will screw them and their family up on out into the future, that I lose hope. Their eyes glaze over and they go into total denial mode. Can’t fix that.
You guys don’t like Ho Chi Minh. He was a communist, a Marxist-Leninist. I get it. As an ideology, Communism has just about the world’s worst track record by any measure. But it is stupid to criticize Obama for saying that Ho was inspired by Jefferson and his Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. The Obama Administration has too many serious scandals involving regulatory overreach, usurpation of individual liberty, economic incompetence, and outright corruption to make this an issue.
Just about every significant, non-imperial, non-fascist revolutionary movement since 1776 has been inspired or influenced by the American Declaration of Independence and the republican form of government established by the US Constitution. They have all explicitly proclaimed some idea of the rights of man and called for the institution of a republic. Most have failed, many have been catastrophic; Marxist revolutions have been particularly catastrophic.
In the case of Viet Nam’s Proclamation of Independence, Ho directly cited and paraphrased the 1776 Declaration, inserting the particulars of France’s long train of abuses for those of King George’s. It’s absurd to argue that Ho wasn’t influenced by Jefferson, even if Marx and Lenin were his primary influences. Heck, he even allied with the US OSS during WW II.
I totally agree...and what frustrates me is the UNWILLINGNESS of the people to become informed... They “don’t have time for politics”. That is like not knowing how much money they have in the bank!
Some of my friends are just now believing the whole birth certificate issue could really be true.....I think the only and very first article I ever posted on FR was about Obamas real father....in 2007.
I have tried to warn people about how dire the situation is in the USA, and when I go into the details they look at me like I’m some kind of a kook.
A self proclaimed conservative friend asked me the other day WHY I didn’t think Lindsay Graham was conservative....
Aye yi yi yi yi (said with a downward inflection)
I hear ya. I know what it’s like to try to explain things to others, who aren’t up to speed. Total disbelief...
Ion Mihai Pacepa was a guy who played a role in planning several disinformation ops against the west (in fact, technically, he’s the one who first gave the concept a name), and he makes it very clear that Ho Chi Minh only directly cited and paraphrased Jefferson in a cynical attempt at tricking American liberals, thinking a guy who quotes Jefferson can’t possibly a Communist (and on that note, calling him “Vietnam’s George Washington” is stupid because Washington didn’t write the Declaration of Independence, he merely signed it, and was the general of the Continental Army. Not to mention calling Ho Chi Minh “Vietnam’s George Washington” outright dishonors the actual George Washington, who NEVER resorted to slaughtering civilians under any circumstances.).
Of course, even if Ho Chi Minh WERE indeed sincerely believing in Jefferson’s words and genuinely inspired by him (and not simply using his words in a cynical attempt at trickery), that doesn’t make him any less of a communist. Thomas Jefferson supported the Jacobin murders and even played a role in the creation of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, acted like a cheerleader to the September Massacres and even to a certain extent the Reign of Terror, and in fact, he might arguably be a proto-Marxist in that regard, so I don’t hold him in particularly high esteem considering he cheered on what was essentially the attempted genocide of many Catholics in France, heck, many Christians as a whole and possibly many religious people as a whole (not to mention technically, Cordeliers Club aside, most of the groups in the French Revolution weren’t in fact inspired by our Constitution or any of America’s founding documents. They were inspired by the likes of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, and other French Enlightement philosophers, and even the likes of the Marquis de Sade). And the only reason he “allied” with us in World War II was because we were allied with Stalin at the time as well (and I’m personally disgusted that we had to ally with such a monster during that time, a guy who made Hitler look like a piker, and that’s saying something. I’m meaning Stalin of course, but Ho Chi Minh comes pretty close there as well.).
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