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We Have to Step In and Save Detroit
New York Times ^ | July 19, 2013 | STEVEN RATTNER

Posted on 07/20/2013 12:46:04 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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But while Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has capably overseen Detroit’s march to Chapter 9, neither the state nor the federal government has evinced any inclination to provide meaningful financial assistance.

That’s a mistake. No one likes bailouts or the prospect of rewarding Detroit’s historic fiscal mismanagement. But apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs, and eventually Congress decided to help them.

America is just as much about aiding those less fortunate as it is about personal responsibility. Government does this in so many ways; why shouldn’t it help Detroit rebuild itself?

Many call for scaling back the city to fit realistic population projections. While logical, the potential for downsizing Detroit is limited because the city’s population didn’t flee from just one neighborhood; the departures were scattered, requiring Detroit to deliver services across a geographic area the size of Philadelphia, with less than half the population. Further cuts will surely come, but in some key areas, like public safety and blight removal, Detroit needs to spend more, not less.

That necessitates large-scale reductions in its liabilities, which total as much as $18 billion. By comparison, the country’s second largest municipal bankruptcy — that of Jefferson County, Ala., which is slightly smaller than Detroit in population — involves $4 billion of liabilities.

Detroit faces greater challenges than the automakers because the structure of its obligations is quite different from those of General Motors and Chrysler.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: chapter9; detroit; michigan; rattner; rosemaryaquillina
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To: reaganaut1

no the unions that broke the city can save it


101 posted on 07/20/2013 5:19:12 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: reaganaut1

No we don’t!
It is the epitaph of black politicians in charge of that city.

Let THEM deal with it!


102 posted on 07/20/2013 6:41:04 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: reaganaut1

“Help” Detroit and it will be like the Jonestown flood downstream.

Every (and I mean EVERY) city will decide to go the same way as Detroit.

Whee! let’s buy everythiung and not pay for it; ‘cause we are WORTH it to Unca Sam!


103 posted on 07/20/2013 6:49:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dfwgator
Cities come, cities go....Adapt or die.


 Somehow; this seems apt for this thread:

 

 

Revelation 18 (nkjv)

After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. And he cried mightily[a] with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”

And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached[b] to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Render to her just as she rendered to you,[c] and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[d] her.

“The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’

11 “And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you,[e] and you shall find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! 17 For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.’ Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘What is like this great city?’

19 “They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made desolate.’

20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles[f] and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!”

21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. 22 The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore. No craftsman of any craft shall be found in you anymore, and the sound of a millstone shall not be heard in you anymore. 23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”


104 posted on 07/20/2013 6:57:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rockitz
Would this be a shining city on a hill, exciting the admiration of all?

HMMMmmm...

105 posted on 07/20/2013 6:59:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rusty0604

ants vs grasshoppers


106 posted on 07/20/2013 7:00:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Let's Roll
So what did the govt unions in Detroit do - they doubled down in spite of warnings that they were heading for big time trouble.

Let me tell you about Twinkies® and IT's union here in Indianapolis...

107 posted on 07/20/2013 7:02:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Wuli
Whole blocks, and in sum whole neighborhoods, will need to be turned into whole empty or ready-to-be-emptied blocks that could be sold as complete tracks for development.

I hear that their are many in Detroit that actually receive money from the Gummint with out having to do a lick of work for it!

108 posted on 07/20/2013 7:03:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mrsmel
Detroit, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Haiti, Memphis, Birmingham, Indianapolis, etc etc etc-it's the same all over the world.

Us; TOO???

109 posted on 07/20/2013 7:05:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut1

We should build a wall around Detroit and turn it into a maximum security prison ala “Escape From New York.”


110 posted on 07/20/2013 7:12:35 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: PeteB570
Somebody should tell the writer that the residents of NY didn’t vote to have a Hurricane hit them.

And point out that the one-third of the population remaining ran the other two-thirds out of town.

111 posted on 07/20/2013 7:15:31 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARAD in the past.E)
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To: Stentor

Or a couple of Komatsu D575As.


112 posted on 07/20/2013 7:21:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut1

I don’t have to step in and save anything. The idiots voted in democRATS and they in turn ruined the city. Let it rot.


113 posted on 07/20/2013 7:21:43 PM PDT by meyer (What would John Hancock do?)
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To: reaganaut1

“But apart from voting in elections, the 700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs”

But apart from choosing to step off the roof of a tall building, the deceased’s demise is entirely gravity’s fault.

Author and voting majority are both idiots.


114 posted on 07/20/2013 7:22:11 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: reaganaut1

I think Detroit could save itself if it could only find a market for cleaned, used, brick. There must be billions of them standing around.


115 posted on 07/20/2013 8:51:41 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Slyfox

I have a suggestion....create a network called Detroit Reality...running twenty-four hours a day.

We hire forty camera guys to roam the city and give the public entertainment value...shootings, muggings, robberies, assaults, etc. Charge a subscription for the public to watch the channel....maybe $25 a month.

Have the camera follow the corruption trail...from the real estate guys to the city council. Have a couple of thugs do live-interviews in the evenings....giving everyone an opinion on the real world of Detroit.


116 posted on 07/21/2013 3:01:13 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: reaganaut1
Other Rat-run cities such as Los Angeles and Chicago are also headed for bankruptcy.

Detroit must be made to serve as an example of what happens to 'Rat-run entities. Detroit must be put through the wringer!

First step is to abrogate any and all obligations to past employees ...

So, you joined the Union and paid yer dues, did you? And the Union negotiated a deal too good to be true, having bought its counter-parties via electioneering. Well, guess what? It wasn't! Now subsist on Social Security!

117 posted on 07/21/2013 3:15:28 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: reaganaut1
Detroit is like immigration. The Dems want to step in and reward criminal behavior without even a mention of doing anything about the criminals. Stupid and lazy is no way to go through life and it certainly isn't how to run a Country, either.
118 posted on 07/21/2013 3:59:13 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: reaganaut1

Detroit can only be salvaged by first letting it completely collapse like an apocalyptic movie. City and county governments need to die. Property values need to drop to near zero. Skeleton crews of employees for essential service can be retained by the state to keep some services running. The National Guard and citizen volunteer groups could keep order. Then the state and the court can come in and do an inventory of all abandoned real estate in Wayne County including former public lands and buildings. Auctions can be held to sell off property to developers. Some property can be given to developers with plans to redevelop large tracts. All proceeds would then go to the court for distribution to creditors including the state.


119 posted on 07/21/2013 7:34:42 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: reaganaut1
700,000 remaining residents of the Motor City are no more responsible for Detroit’s problems than were the victims of Hurricane Sandy for theirs, and eventually Congress decided to help them.

The residents of Detroit have been more than willing to live off the graft provided by crooked politicians, crooked unions and a totally corrupt public infrastructure. The "makers" left and the ones remaining are the "takers".

"Saving" Detroit is impossible, and people should admit that. Any money given to Detroit would just go into the same bottomless pit as it has for the last 50 years.

Any "city" that cannot sustain itself without money from other people deserves to fail. Pull the plug, demolish the ruins, and return the land to productivity.

I'd suggest growing sugar beets...

120 posted on 07/21/2013 8:32:38 AM PDT by Kenton
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