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Day 21 (Week #5) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 9, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/09/2013 4:51:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, July 9th, is DAY #21 (of 5th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.

Yesterday was the first full day of defense witnesses. Perhaps the most significant of the first set were the two police officers who stated Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father, said on 2/28/12 the cries for help on the 911 calls were NOT Trayvon. Later in the day Tracy Martin took the stand and essentially said the two detectives were lying. A great analysis of the events from yesterday is available HERE.

What additionally strikes as important to us is the first signs of desperation from the original nucleus of the Scheme Team construct, Benjamin Crump and Daryl Parks – attorneys for the Martin family. Parks appeared on Piers Morgan show last night and the video should be watched by anyone who knows how the scheme was constructed.

We accept that Mark O’Mara is conflicted in this case, and he is trying to walk a fine line between presenting a defense to a case built on political pressure and outright fraud; Yet simultaneously avoiding exposition of both the politics and the fraud itself.

The intentionally avoided open doors exposing the fraud creates anxiety for those of us who know what is inside the room he is avoiding. Our prayers are that his passing those wide open doors is based on prudence [within an unknown strategy]. However, our fear is the hasty and politically correct avoidance might cause him to pass by the room holding the key to George Zimmerman’s ultimate ‘long-term’ freedom.

It should be noted the NAACP Annual National Convention starts in Orlando on Friday; Additionally, preparations are being made in/around Miami-Dade for a Wednesday defense wrap up with a community/LEO preparation meeting today.

(Excerpt) Read more at wftv.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: george; kangaroocourt; showtrial; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Solson; don-o; Uncle Chip
In the article Getting to Murder 2: Finding George Zimmerman’s Depraved Mind at Legal Insurrection, Andrew Branca discusses the charges against George Zimmerman. He asserts that, under Florida law, Manslaughter is an automatically included lesser charge for Murder 2 and that the jury will receive deliberation instructions for it.

Manslaughter—The Next Iteration of the Narrative?
Why charge murder 2 on such little evidence of a “depraved mind”? Perhaps the prosecution believed more damning evidence would be found, or they hoped that the murder charge would lead to a plea bargain or compromise jury verdict on manslaughter. In Florida manslaughter is a lesser included offense to murder 2, and the jury will certainly have the manslaughter instruction to consider in their deliberations.

Indeed, unless new and revelatory evidence emerges of Zimmerman’s “depraved mind”, I anticipate the prosecution’s narrative to re-center on manslaughter as their most likely “win” in this case.

I highly recommend that those who are interested in the legal analysis of this trial read all of the articles at Legal Insurrection about it.
1,841 posted on 07/09/2013 2:58:22 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: EnquiringMind

Okay. Good point.


1,842 posted on 07/09/2013 2:58:54 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: hoosiermama

Yes, tenor! That’s what I was trying to say. Perfect.


1,843 posted on 07/09/2013 2:59:38 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: hoosiermama
"Thought his main purpose was to animate the time line"

The "attorney" is losing his audience. People are leaving and more and more seats are empty.

I know its wrong, but I'm going to *snicker* anyway. He is so full of himself.

1,844 posted on 07/09/2013 3:00:35 PM PDT by hummingbird (So many conspiracies. Not enough time.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Conviction on Manslaughter can get him 30 years, right?


1,845 posted on 07/09/2013 3:01:06 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: JoeProBono

Is this from the actual animation ?


1,846 posted on 07/09/2013 3:01:32 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: All

This “lawyer” is an arrogant little condescending twit!


1,847 posted on 07/09/2013 3:02:03 PM PDT by Conservative145
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To: hoosiermama
Yes


1,848 posted on 07/09/2013 3:03:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Nervous Tick
There will be five jurors that are able to deal rationally with the testimony, and one stubborn “social justice” holdout.

The one from Chicago.

1,849 posted on 07/09/2013 3:03:11 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Even so. From what I can understand of this, I am very leery that it be admitted as evidence. Actually, as corrupted as the system is, it may get in after all.

But, it involves too much subjectivity on the part of the creator. It might be useful if there were better raw data - say three different videos from different angles. But this amalgamation is not that. Too much assumption and speculation.

MOM back for redirect.


1,850 posted on 07/09/2013 3:03:59 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

Defense doesn’t really need this.


1,851 posted on 07/09/2013 3:05:46 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Disclaimer here I in no way want GZ convicted!
And with the above mention of depraved mind would not the prosecution have need to ask for a psychiatrist to do an interview to know the state of GM’s mind at that time and date, as in he saw TM and stalked TM for weeks before the altercation?


1,852 posted on 07/09/2013 3:06:38 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: don-o

I can see it played during final arguments as the defense postulates its opinion as to what happened but not as evidence.


1,853 posted on 07/09/2013 3:07:21 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Conserev1
would not the prosecution have need to ask for a psychiatrist

"Depraved Mind" is a legal term of art which does not require a psychiatric witness to establish. I think it probably means "malicious" or "with evil intent." It is not intended to mean a mental disorder that a shrink could assess.

1,854 posted on 07/09/2013 3:09:59 PM PDT by lawdave
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To: Uncle Chip

Of sold to 48 - Hours or similar program for a profit


1,855 posted on 07/09/2013 3:10:05 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: showme_the_Glory

“Defense doesn’t really need this.”

Agree. I’ve pretty much seen and heard all the evidence the jury has and I think could walk the scene there in Florida and explain pretty much exactly what happened.


1,856 posted on 07/09/2013 3:10:08 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: Ronald_Magnus

However at this point it would require a new trial as the State has rested! And at no time in the trial did they mention the state of GZ mind!


1,857 posted on 07/09/2013 3:12:05 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

There is an article on the WSJ that explains that the state of Florida does not have a provision for a reduced count, it is either all or nothing guilty or innocent of second degree murder. The writer claims that even if Zimmerman is found not guilty, it won’t exonerate him because Florida juries don’t have the option finding him guilty of a lesser crime.

It sounded like another wishy washy article from the WSJ, trying to straddle the line between the truth and liberal politically popular thinking.


1,858 posted on 07/09/2013 3:12:29 PM PDT by Eva
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To: lawdave

To those asking why MOM didn’t call George’s Dad to the stand, might it have anything to do with them having a personal relationship? I thought I recall hearing that when MOM first signed on. Just wondering.


1,859 posted on 07/09/2013 3:12:39 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: hoosiermama

Is that animation in conflict with any evidence in this trial???

No —


1,860 posted on 07/09/2013 3:13:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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