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The Zimmerman trial is already over
foxnews.com ^ | 5 July, 2013 | John Lott

Posted on 07/06/2013 12:52:17 PM PDT by marktwain

Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman second degree murder trial have pushed hard on two points as they seek to make their case against him: that the injuries to Zimmerman on the night Trayvon Martin died were “insignificant” and that he had studied Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law in a college class in 2010.

To win conviction on second-degree murder, the prosecution has to show that the death was caused by a criminal act “demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.”

That’s why the prosecutor keeps pushing the claim that Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. Meanwhile, the lesser charge of manslaughter generally is a crime that's been committed in the heat of passion, where there is no premeditation. The jury would have to believe Zimmerman lost his temper in shooting Martin.

People can use force to protect themselves when they reasonably believe it is “necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to themselves.” On this score, the testimony of the Jacksonville medical examiner, Valerie Rao, that Zimmerman injuries were “insignificant” is largely irrelevant.

A broken nose, a head being slammed into cement, and punches to the face may not have left Zimmerman incapacitated. The important question is whether such an attack with a man on top of him would leave Zimmerman to “reasonably believe” that there was a threat of “imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; martin; zimmerman
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

At the very least.


41 posted on 07/06/2013 2:04:30 PM PDT by meatloaf (3)
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To: MrEdd

Wonder why the insurance company folded and settled?


42 posted on 07/06/2013 2:05:30 PM PDT by meatloaf (3)
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To: marktwain

What do you think their job is?


43 posted on 07/06/2013 2:06:33 PM PDT by edcoil ("The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek." Joseph Campbell)
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To: davandbar; alecqss

True. Keltec pistols are DOuble Action Only. No external safety to take “off”.


44 posted on 07/06/2013 2:08:03 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: meatloaf

45 posted on 07/06/2013 2:09:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: alecqss
The Keltec 9mm is double-action only, just like the Glocks that most cops carry these days.

There is no "safety" to engage.

The long, hard trigger-pull of DAO is the safety, just like on a revolver, which has no "safety."

46 posted on 07/06/2013 2:11:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: Proud2BeRight

You just KNOW the Wookie is screeching at him every night to make sure that honky cracker fries and does not get away with it..............


47 posted on 07/06/2013 2:13:17 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: marktwain

Let em’ riot. Florida is a CCW state and many are armed and ready for a target rich environment if it should present itself. There is not going to be a repeat of the Rodney King runaway riots in areas of the country where CCW is respected.


48 posted on 07/06/2013 2:15:36 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: marktwain

If 40 seconds of getting your head bashed against the sidewalk while screaming for him to stop is not reason enough to shoot to save your life, then when is???


49 posted on 07/06/2013 2:17:24 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MrEdd; All

“Trayvon had a duty to retreat rather than confront, especially as he and his father were forbidden to stay there under the lease agreement.”

This is actually a pretty important point, because it puts the lie to the claim that Martin had a right to be there.

Is there a source for this claim?


50 posted on 07/06/2013 2:23:22 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: meatloaf

They folded early, and the condo home owners association was very negligent in not fixing the camera surveillance - which had been broken for at least a week. The HOA failed to provide a “safe environment. “

Who knows, maybe they will try to get their money back later.


51 posted on 07/06/2013 2:28:38 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: davandbar
I did not know what the gun he had. Obviously that makes those “arguments” even more bogus.

Also - Zimmerman has no history whatsoever of “hunting” someone or racial animosity toward anyone. Trayvon, on the other hand, has police record, was a gang member, was under influence of pot and seems to be very racial in his views of others.

52 posted on 07/06/2013 2:28:38 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: alecqss

apparently cnn had an expert this am who said the fingerprinting method used was the outdated powder method. The proper way to have check for prints (particularly with a blurry print) is the superglue vapor method. It picks up even those with weather exposure.

It has been CSI-comedy squad.


53 posted on 07/06/2013 2:34:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MrEdd

or the settlement is contingent upon an actual conviction.

iow there is a financial motive for the family to lie.


54 posted on 07/06/2013 2:35:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marktwain

Read up at legal insurection. The condominiums forbid anyone staying there not on the lease. Tracy Martin was not on Brandy Greene’s lease (nor was her sister because she couldn’t pass a background check).

Trayvon getting caught by the police would mean being evicted for Trayvon and Tracy Martin. That may have been what made him angry when he first noticed he was being observed by a little man on a phone.


55 posted on 07/06/2013 2:36:16 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: meatloaf

Think of how much more expensive it would have been to litigate.


56 posted on 07/06/2013 2:36:53 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: All

don’t forget folks attny crump’s depo is this weekend. This was after the judge was reversed and she expressed her contempt for the decision of the 5th dist court of appeals.


57 posted on 07/06/2013 2:41:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

-—>This was after the judge was reversed ...

Reversed in relation to what? The defense being denied more time for the crump repo?


58 posted on 07/06/2013 2:46:00 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

I believe she denied the crump depo all together. no depo for the defense.

the 5th reveser her.

in retaliation she played games with the timing and that is why it is being done on this weekend.

crump has also been hiding.


59 posted on 07/06/2013 2:48:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marktwain

The soccer referee in California was KILLED by ONE punch from a teenage male. All these white commentators must not have ever been in a fight in their lives. YOU CAN DIE FROM JUST ONE PUNCH!


60 posted on 07/06/2013 2:53:45 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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