777 Crash at SFO (San Francisco)

Twitter ^ | July 6, 2013

[FreedomPoster]

Currently just Tweets and locals talking about this, nothing on news sites yet. Lots of stuff in the Twitter feed, including links to uploaded videos of the smoking mess.

[publius911]

I’ll wait for the experts to come forth with the facts!!! And....they are the Boeing Aircraft Company and the Asiana flight crew, period.

Please get real.
It's embarrassing.

300 passengers did not notice an explosion just before hitting the end rip-rap protection at the start of the runway fill?

[BatGuano]

Cultural differences are often a contributing cause to airplane accidents. Having flown world-wide, I can recount many examples of the same. English is the International language for aviation. This does not mean that you can converse with a Brazilian controller, he only knows “controller English”, clearances, altitudes headings etc. They are usually unable to tell you what the weather is at the airport in English. Same goes for France, Thailand, Japan, you get the idea.

[Yosemitest]

No, I don't know.

After 30 years of Air Traffic Control experience, most as Tower Watch Supervisor in the USAF, this was a Pilot Error Crash.
The pilot came in too steep, with too much airspeed to bleed off, so he put it into a stall position to get rid of the airspeed.
But he stalled it out and got lucky that he belly landed it into the underrun, and the closed portion of the runway, before the landing threshold and leaving a portion of the tail in the bay.

[BatGuano]

Cultural differences are often a contributing cause to airplane accidents. Having flown world-wide, I can recount many examples of the same. English is the International language for aviation. This does not mean that you can converse with a Brazilian controller, he only knows “controller English”, clearances, altitudes headings etc. They are usually unable to tell you what the weather is at the airport in English. Same goes for France, Thailand, Japan, you get the idea.

[hedgetrimmer]

It may have “collided” with what?

I don't know, but the emergency channel had some individual reporting that a 'target' had been dropped at the airport or in the water after the crash.

Not clear if 'target' was human or mechanical.

[Yosemitest]

Most commercial pilots can get the weather through email messages on the flight data computer from their company,
and all are required to read ICAO METAR Reports.

[publius911]

By the sounds of it, I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a bombshell report later stating the death toll now is 62.

Why does it have to be that complicated?

Sixty people decided they had enough excitement for one day, and "I'm outta here!"

Or in the general chaos they were simply hidden away somewhere in that huge airport having a drink or whatever. Presumably most had friends or relatives meeting their flight.

[Kevin in California]

I’ve fished in that bay up against the SFO runway.The Halibut, Shark, Ray, and Striped Bass fishing can be excellent at the right time.

Putting that aside, God Bless the people that had to endure this accident. Prayers to you!

[Yosemitest]

Thanks, but I wasn't involved with it.
I'm just telling you what I see in the data I read.

[BatGuano]

Are you playing with me? You must not be able to read and understand English either. My point is that you can’t converse with many controllers. The weather example was the one I chose. How about asking them how the wife and kids are? Is that better?

[kstewskis]

You’re unhinged, or drunk. Sober up so you’ll make sense. This banter is inappropriate on a thread regarding a plane disaster - let it go. I played on inter-department softball games in the city, and the female firefighters often bested the men and won games. I’m not kidding, some of these gals (Hayes-White included) can lift and carry men on ladders.

Knock it off with the ad hominum attacks. You, sir (I presume) have obviously been severely emasculated by the affirmative action culture and have not seen the steady decline, and deficits in departments over the last 40 years. Firemen of a previous and honorable "age" respectively would have never stood for this. A "straight, Catholic woman" if she was properly catechized would understand that there is a proper place for a woman role, and it's not doing a man's job, no matter how capable she may be of actually doing the job.

Thank God my father and grandfather never lived to see their respective fire departments succumb to what they have today. It's not the inadequacy of the woman (who evidently is doing a "standard" job), but what has become of the (physical) standards in the last 35+ years? Fact: They've been lowered to accommodate for affirmative action and to brainwash you "youngsters" into accepting it. Face it, NONE of this would even be a topic of conversation if it wasn't for affirmative action.

And thank God, in my local fire dept, it's still ran with the large majority of MEN doing the job.

Fire away girly men. You're "free" to flame me now. I'm not arguing this point any longer because I've grown up in a firehouse and fully understand (and was taught from the get go) what it was "supposed to be." By unadulterated-by-affirmative-action fireMEN.

[Borax Queen]

I will pray that all your coworkers are okay. And for the injured and families too.

[Osage Orange]

Pretty much what I thought....

But without your expert experience.....

[Celtic Conservative]

"never play leapfrog with a unicorn"

damned if that commercial doesn't stick in your head.

CC

[BatGuano]

I’ve seen the Aft pressure bulkhead on the B777 while on a floor tour of the Boeing plant. It is made by Mitsubishi and it may have been “peeled back like a tin can” but I assure you that it was intact. It must have been torn from the fuselage structure that failed along with the Vertical Stabilizer.

[roadcat]

I’m not firing away or flaming anyone. Just saying it’s inappropriate on a tragic thread like this to slander someone with no knowledge of the person.

I just had a conversation with a buddy that was on the tarmac checking all the debris, and he said it wasn’t pleasant seeing the body of a woman on the ground (one of the two who are confirmed dead). Also showed me close-up pics he took of the plane and debris, lots of personal effects strewn everywhere. First responders are trying to do their job, and a jerk is knocking one of them for her looks. Unbecoming, and not pertinent in this disaster.

[Borax Queen]

You have zero idea what knowledge I have or don’t have of that person or who I know and work with or have worked with in SF. Enough with all of your lies. You have zero proof of anything you’ve said. Knock it off with the incessant ad hom attacks, as the other poster politely requested too. Now I’m done in arguing with someone not all there, that’s what I get and that is my fault. Proceed with your hatred, vitriol, and flat-out lies.

[bluecat6]

Not a pilot.

But did do around 20 landings at SFO in 2008 - most in 737s.

Always smooth and easy landings at SFO.

Comparing the flightaware data to AF flight that is also a 777 it look like you have called it.

Asiana:

37.5900 -122.3070 297° West 169 194 1,400 -1,380 Descending
37.5988 -122.3270 299° West 145 167 800 -1,380 Descending
37.6016 -122.3340 297° West 141 162 600 -1,320 Descending
37.6045 -122.3410 298° West 134 154 400 -900 Descending
37.6073 -122.3480 297° West 123 142 300 -840 Descending
37.6103 -122.3550 298° West 109 125 100 -120 Descending
37.6170 -122.3740 294° West 85 98 200 120 Climbing e

AF 84:

37.5790 -122.2790 300° West 187 215 1,600 -1,200 Descending
37.5890 -122.3030 298° West 156 180 1,200 -1,080 Descending
37.5940 -122.3150 298° West 149 171 900 -900 Descending
37.6020 -122.3360 296° West 145 167 600 -840 Descending
37.6070 -122.3470 300° West 140 161 300 -1,080 Descending
37.6150 -122.3660 298° West 125 144 -720 Descending
37.6170 -122.3710 297° West 82 94

Links:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214/history/20130706/0730Z/RKSI/KSFO/tracklog

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR84/history/20130702/0835Z/LFPG/KSFO/tracklog

[NonValueAdded]

the flight originated in China it turns out.

[NonValueAdded]

thx