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Day 15 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 28, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/28/2013 5:14:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, June 28th, is DAY #15 (of 3rd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. [Yesterday] … it was simply not a very good day at all for the prosecution. The primary State witnesses today were Rachel Jeantel, Jenna Lauer, and Selma Mora.

The first had her credibility substantively destroyed, the second was powerfully–almost humiliatingly–co-opted by the defense, and the third provided testimony entirely consistent with the defense’s theory of lawful self-defense. (continue reading)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; floridojudicirats; georgezimmerman; kangaroo; kangaroocourt; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Ronald_Magnus
“The HOA were cowards for settling.”

I disagree. First it was probably their insurance company that dictated the Settlement. Any business would be foolish to roll the dice with jury. What would they do if the Jury finds them guilty and awards $50 Million. After their insurance max is tapped, then they go after property. I don't know if these were town-homes owned by the tenants or just apartments. If it is Homeowners they could be on the hook to cover the balance through a special assessment. It sucks but with today's ligation rules, IMHO you always try to settle....

1,281 posted on 06/28/2013 5:17:22 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: spacejunkie2001

Prosecutors aren’t going to ask a thing to a grieving father with a jury of women. I think they’d let him say his piece and move on.


1,282 posted on 06/28/2013 5:18:12 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: snarkytart

Some are. Otoh others may have been hired to support one side or the other HLN sets up the arguments. Their heads are paid to play dumb so there’s conflict. TV drama


1,283 posted on 06/28/2013 5:18:48 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Fresh Wind
WFTV keeps saying all the witnesses are proving GZ’s injuries are not life threatening and so do not justify deadly force.

So, Z was supposed to lie there and think about whether his injuries were life threatening while Saint Trayvon was on top of him, and every time he punched him, he was supposed to add that punch to the total, until the sum total of his injuries became life threatening?

It's insane.

1,284 posted on 06/28/2013 5:19:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: snarkytart

Yep — John Good’s testimony was the turning point and some began saying that now we know why this case was never referred to a Grand Jury — they would never returned a bill of indictment.


1,285 posted on 06/28/2013 5:22:06 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MNDude

Predicting riots in ALL major cities...

http://www.crimefilenews.com/2013/06/america-will-see-its-worst-race-riot.html


1,286 posted on 06/28/2013 5:22:53 PM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: viaveritasvita

re yours #449...
hoards = hordes


1,287 posted on 06/28/2013 5:22:56 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: GOPJ

Self defense doesn’t require you to be half dead before fighting back. The reason the injuries weren’t as severe as they could have been is Z shooting Martin.


1,288 posted on 06/28/2013 5:24:05 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: All
If anyone wants to see a mental midget (Al Not-so Sharpton) spot 75 IQ points to MOM and not even realize it, have a look

Link

1,289 posted on 06/28/2013 5:24:40 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: martinidon

I think they settled because they’re afraid of being called ‘racist’...


1,290 posted on 06/28/2013 5:30:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: GOPJ

That clueless moron pictured there may very well be led away in handcuffs before this trial ends — delivered up by the prosecution and scheme team as their scapegoat.


1,291 posted on 06/28/2013 5:33:06 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MNDude

You mean the defense won’t ask? I think they will ask about him changing his tune on the voice, after all they brought it up during opening statements.


1,292 posted on 06/28/2013 5:35:09 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Uncle Chip

Is there some type of witness protection ? Remember when MOM asked to speak with John during recess? Would he be setting up or making sure they were protected?


1,293 posted on 06/28/2013 5:37:13 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Uncle Chip; All

Ya gotta watch this...till the very end..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNVBgxDXts


1,294 posted on 06/28/2013 5:39:02 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: xzins
Aside from blowing it that's the only thing that makes sense, and they're not doing that real well, so incompetence is at play in any case.

I am wondering if the prosecution knows they have no case so they just try to honestly let the evidence get presented to the court to save their reputations and to not get accused of playing games.

1,295 posted on 06/28/2013 5:39:51 PM PDT by BRL
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OK, it’s late, and probably no one will see this post, but I have read some non-FR message boards and I see a pattern.

In my upper-middle class white world, the person responsible for starting a fight is the first person who physically touches the other. Words, threats, “sticks and stones” don’t count. Nothing matters until physical assault occurs. In that (my) world, Martin probably started the fight.

In the world of many of the commenters anti-Zimmerman, Zimmerman became the aggressor by simply following or verbally confronting Martin. They believe that this was the initial act of aggression, and that Martin was then allowed to physically “defend himself” from this “stalker”.

The differences seem to be based on different rules of conflict in societies and culture. Being yelled at, stalked, or harassed is not a license for physical aggression in my world, but it appears to be in Martins and his defenders.


1,296 posted on 06/28/2013 5:40:56 PM PDT by jaybee
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To: snarkytart

I think they’ll mention it, but last thing they want is to ask the dad a question, and he just breaks down crying.

They state would get 10 sympathy points for each evidence points the defense would get.


1,297 posted on 06/28/2013 5:41:26 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: MNDude

defense gets to cross and they would definitely ask him.


1,298 posted on 06/28/2013 5:41:32 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: xzins
On the issue of the jury MUST be given the lesser included, this is from Florida's Rules of Criminal Procedure.
RULE 3.510.

DETERMINATION OF ATTEMPTS AND LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSES

On an indictment or information on which the defendant is to be tried for any offense the jury may convict the defendant of:

(a) an attempt to commit the offense if such attempt is an offense and is supported by the evidence. The judge shall not instruct the jury if there is no evidence to support the attempt and the only evidence proves a completed offense; or

(b) any offense that as a matter of law is a necessarily included offense or a lesser included offense of the offense charged in the indictment or information and is supported by the evidence. The judge shall not instruct on any lesser included offense as to which there is no evidence.

Committee Notes
1968 Adoption. Same as section 919.16, Florida Statutes. The standing committee on Florida court rules raised the question as to whether this rule is procedural or substantive and directed the subcommittee to call this fact to the attention of the supreme court.

I don't have it at my fingertips, but recall reading a Florida case that held the jury MUST be given these option, that a judge does not have the discretion to limit the instructions sent to the jury. The power of the judge is limited to discerning which charges are not supported by the evidence.

The only "automatic" lesser included charges are those in the "Category One" column. Category One = an offense that as a matter of law is a necessarily included offense or a lesser included offense.

1,299 posted on 06/28/2013 5:44:35 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Uncle Chip
-- Well think about it really. Since this trial is televised on all channels and the internet, even if they were barred from court they would still be able to see everything going on in court from their laptop. I'm sure that's where the Zimmerman's are watching it. --

By court order, Zimmerman's who are named as witnesses are sequestered. If they are watching the proceedings, or reading about them, etc., they are in violation of a court order.

Same goes for Crump.

1,300 posted on 06/28/2013 5:46:57 PM PDT by Cboldt
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