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To: 4rcane
I agree, and think that Obama used the NSA to spy on and blackmail Justice Roberts on the Obamacare nod.

Same NSA that spied on and allowed General Petraeus to be blackmailed.

The democrats are a total manifestation of evil, and have nothing in common with We The People.

7 posted on 06/10/2013 1:00:48 AM PDT by Prole
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To: Prole
Same NSA that spied on and allowed General Petraeus to be blackmailed.

NSA wasn't involved in Petraeus's downfall. It was an FBI operation. Petraeus got caught because his gf couldn't restrain herself from attacking a perceived rival.

All the FBI needed, once they decided to pursue the case, was a subpoena to get what Google had on the Gmail account that was sending catty emails to CENTCOM social butterfly Jill Kelley. Reportedly, the FBI almost declined to take Kelley's case, but were persuaded by the advocacy of her friend, Special Agent Frederick W. Humphries, pictured below at an FBI firearms training exercise.

Once in possession of Google's logs and data, it was simple detective work to identify the sender as Paula Broadwell and to notice that she and General Petraeus were having an affair.

No need for NSA. Sorry.

11 posted on 06/10/2013 1:38:38 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Prole; MinuteGal

Anyone who doesn’t think that at some point Obama and his regime thugs won’t use the data gathered by the NSA for their own nefarious reasons against individuals or groups of individuals of the opposite political party or religious groups, or pro-Israel groups, has rocks in their heads where a brain should be. The Obama thugs could pluck out info on you or me, on our entire internet lives. They would know everything, our e-mails, our bank accounts and/or credit cards, our health records, everything. Any jpolitically oriented operative within the NSA could do this and bypass any required search warrant needed to do so by simply doing the search on an individual and surreptiously pass it on to whomever wants it, usually a political ideologue of liberal/socialist bent.

The dangers here are tremendous. The government is asking us to trust them on this data mining, that it will not be abused. We already know that the Obama regime is very willing to abuse and use gov’t agencies for their own political purposes. Look to the IRS spying and abuse of citizens of the opposite political party, or wrong religion in their eyes, or those with a pro-Israel bent.

Audits and grant stalling past elections to harm opposition parties from being able to organize and get their word out to educate the public on the constitution, etc., was the norm of this Obama Admin. Look at EPA bullying as a weapon by this Admin, or all the regulations being shoved down our throats, in particular affecting the business community; banks and corporation forced to become crony capitalists used by this crooked regime. Look to Obamacare and its thousands of rules and regulations that were hidden from the public and we are just now finding out what all is entailed in Obamacare.

What in heaven’s name would stop them from having ideologue plants spy on citizens’ e-mails and their backgrounds contained on the internet, basically their whole lives encapsulated therein, to use for their own politically evil intentions? I suspect they have already done this.

SCOTUS John Roberts might have been one of those whose background was looked into by the Obama regime and then used against him to blackmail him into voting for Obamacare. We’ll never know. But I wouldn’t sit here too comfortably and agree that this massive data mining is necessary for our safety rather than using more narrow targeting of data gathering with greater restrictions on its use and how it is mined. I have zero faith in the integrity of the current gov’t and what they would not stoop to in order to further their political cause. We have no true safeguards. Zero.


12 posted on 06/10/2013 1:39:23 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Prole
I agree with you, but what bothers me even more is the stark, stark contrast between the parties and how we treat the unprincipled politician.

Let's face it conservatives and to a lesser degree republicans would be screaming about this and demanding an end to such abuses. We tolerated this under a very controlled guise with Bush. And information seems to indicate the Bush Administration followed the law as intended and the spying was actually decreasing going into 2008.(plus it was used on FOREIGN calls etc. not the whole darn communication networks or credit card networks) The program was sunsetting as intended.

U.S. Collects Vast Data Trove (Major Phone Companies, Credit Cards, Online Activity)

Note the drastic increase and the amount of language changes to the orders under 0bama. This is a huge change. And let's not forget the renewal of the program was under a Democrat controlled congress from 2006-2010.

This is where the difference is between the citizenry:

Conservatives/Republicans are outraged vs. the liberal left actually supports this crap as an end justifies the means.

23 posted on 06/10/2013 3:05:41 AM PDT by EBH (The government that sits in Washington, D.C. is not the United States government.)
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