Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 9 June 2013

Various driveby media television networks ^ | 9 June 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

June 9th, 2013

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Ron Johnson, R-Wis.; Michael Hayden, former head of the CIA and the National Security Agency.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Pre-empted by coverage of the French Open.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H.; Reps. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., Michael McCaul, R-Texas, Elijah Cummings, D-Md., and John Dingell, D-Mich.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Mark Udall, D-Colo.; Reps. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., and Keith Ellison, D-Minn.

STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Udall, Cummings; Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz.

[Girlene]

Very good questions, sefarkas.

[InterceptPoint]

The information they are collecting is being kept in perpetuity....do you trust your current or a future govt with that much of your personal information? I don't.

No I don't. But then I don't like giving out my income data, my medical data, the interest payments on my house ...

NSA hasn't threatened me lately. Neither has the IRS. But being a Freeper is much more likely to draw the attention of the latter than the former. The IRS is the current winner of the Biggest Threat to Our Freedom award for 2013. The NSA isn't even in second place.

[gov_bean_ counter]

I am not convinced that the metadata collected is limited to the described data points.

[holden]

govt says Glen’s source is a Double agent

...and they want us to believe the NSA database isn't abused! HAHAHAHAHA!

HF

[ROCKLOBSTER]

I thought it was interesting that Ellison said that he didn’t even know how extensive the program is and he sits on the intel committee.

I think it's interesting that the moslem has any credibility AND is on the Intel Committee.

[holden]

See, guys, this teensy cut-out on the 4th Amendment (MW:”everything on everybody”) is easily explained away!

(Besides, they’re bleeding us dry on ammo—”Keep plinking!,” they’ll say—and they’ll take care of all the gun dealers and stores that sell arms lickety split, too.)

HF

[bray]

If the phone mining worked, why did they spend a week trying to find the Tea Party terrorist when a phone detonated the bomb?

The reason is they were not looking for Islamic terrorists.

PRay for America to Wake Up

[bray]

Here's another example. As soon as the bomber was caught the Obama justice dept had him Mirandized while he was giving the FBI good information. I guess he doesn't want to give up all of our rights, just certain individuals have to give up theirs.

Pray for America to Wake Up

[stayathomemom]

In all of this is it not plausible the NSA issue has been, and is continuing to be blown out of proportion by those of Leftist concern such as their shadow government, and their wholly owned MSM to divert attention from every other scandal exposed thus far?

That has been my concern too. I posted this on another thread:
I have a concern about this whole NSA thing and maybe it is off base. Of all the "scandals" that are emerging, this is the one that seems to be getting the most attention of the MSM. They are tracing it back to 9/11 and the Bush administration. It also seems to be awakening the ire of other countries and labeling the US as a cyber bully and hurting the reputation of the US. This actually seems to be something that Obama would LOVE to have happen, which makes me wonder whether this was a planned leak.
Is the type of information they are collecting analogous to noting that a bunch of planes are flying in a certain direction, but you have no idea who is on them or what their intent is. Just that something curious is happening. How intrusive is that degree of watchfulness? At what point do we say "You have gone too far?"

[PaleoBob]

Yes. I get that the data might archived so when a terrorist is identified his connections could be be screened, but why does the government have to be the repository? Why couldn’t they contract with Verizon, ATT, etc. to have archives and then go to them with a search warrant?

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That’s right. The govt can get closer to operating WITHIN the framework of the constitution by first not claiming province over ALL records but rather only pertinent ones.

In a “hot pursuit” the cops might be able to search all houses on a single block if the situation is such that the suspect could be inside any one of a finite number of them.

Issues like “probable cause” and what is “reasonable” come into play even when shots are being fired. It’s ludicrous to imagine that the govt MUST have ownership of all communications records in relatively passive situations—it’s what communist dictators like Ceaucescu in Romania tried when he tried to tap all the nation’s phones. Even he didn’t get away with it back then.

[PaleoBob]

If the phone mining worked, why did they spend a week trying to find the Tea Party terrorist when a phone detonated the bomb?

The reason is they were not looking for Islamic terrorists.

PRay for America to Wake Up

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This is exactly right and an ENORMOUS problem in applying rules made in good faith by the framers and upheld by various courts over the centuries. Obama is using “national security” exceptions built into the system in order to continue his assault on political opponents, tea party conservatives, Republicans, Christians, etc.

The underpinning presumption of the constitution and bill of rights is that it would be for a “moral people,” as Adams said. It doesn’t work in the hands of Bolsheviks like Obama and his crew. It’s too easily manipulated or circumvented as the case may be.

[kabar]

Yes, other Government agencies represent potential threats to our liberties but it is the IRS and, in particular, the Obamacare armed IRS that is the most serious threat. The EPA, with it's power to stop commerce in it's tracks is also a serious threat and one where the abuse of the system is seen daily. So far I haven't seen that sort of abuse coming out of the NSA.

You missed my point. We have a much larger problem than the IRS or any other federal agency. It is big government. They are conducting orchestrated attacks per the example I cited. It is no coincidence that multiple agencies go after the same target at the same time.

The public sector unions are supporters of Obama, including the federal employee unions. They have become partisan giving Obama the vast majority of donations plus endorsing him. They are willingly helping him even if it clearly violates the laws and regulations. Leaking donor lists is a felony.

Re NSA: Have you read this? Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations The 29-year-old source behind the biggest intelligence leak in the NSA's history explains his motives, his uncertain future and why he never intended on hiding in the shadows

I worked for the USG for 36 years. Your confidence in NSA and the other intel agencies is seriously misplaced. I will leave it at that.

[CincyRichieRich]

We will see. I just know that the Dems are better organized and funded. nd the changing demographics of this country will make it that much more difficult.

Don’t ever underestimate the Obama machine, which will do anything to win, legal and illegal. Taking back the House in 2014 is his most important objective and the only impediment to transforming this country forever. Obama wants it so bad he can taste it. I shudder to think what he will do to achieve his objective.

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Pray hard and expectantly.
0bama and the 25 or so “presidents” have no one to hold them accountable, and, if 0bama were to let H0lder go you know he’d threaten to talk, so that’s why no one will be let go. Also, if 0bama and his inner circle Marzists can blackmale R0berts (and you know they did), then any of our side are good and scared since their phone conversations and emails are in their hands.

Misspellings are purposeful. I hope you understand that. Atlas Shrugged Part 2 really seems like today.

Pray, pray, pray, plead, pray, plead.

[CincyRichieRich]

Pray hard and expectantly.
0bama and the 25 or so “presidents” have no one to hold them accountable, and, if 0bama were to let H0lder go you know he’d threaten to talk, so that’s why no one will be let go. Also, if 0bama and his inner circle Marzists can blackmale R0berts (and you know they did), then any of our side are good and scared since their phone conversations and emails are in their hands.

Misspellings are purposeful. I hope you understand that. Atlas Shrugged Part 2 really seems like today.

Pray, pray, pray, plead, pray, plead.

[InterceptPoint]

I worked for the USG for 36 years. Your confidence in NSA and the other intel agencies is seriously misplaced. I will leave it at that.

Look, I have a little experience with these guys myself and I will also (mostly) leave it at that.

They are no angels to be sure. And your point about the coordination of multiple agencies is certainly correct. But I have seen no evidence surface that would show that NSA is participating on any significant scale in that coordination. But the rest of the alphabet soup of D.C. Agencies have already been shown to be working in coordination, at least against the Tea Party and other Conservative organizations.

But NSA? I'm still waiting for some hard evidence that they are using their data in a way harmful to Americans. I recognize that they could. But if they did then someone should flag the example. My reading of Snowden is that he talks to the opportunity for NSA to do bad things. I think we need more than that.

[shalom aleichem]

Here is his 12 1/2 minute interview from Hong Kong.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

Seems to have the best intentions, but since media wants to axe anyone who may make O look bad, he will be considered an immediate bad guy.

Bradley Manning is “cool” however.

[kabar]

But I have seen no evidence surface that would show that NSA is participating on any significant scale in that coordination. But the rest of the alphabet soup of D.C. Agencies have already been shown to be working in coordination, at least against the Tea Party and other Conservative organizations.

NSA is just an information gatherer for others. It will supply whatever information is requested. I have used their material. The point is that they have the capability to acquire and process huge amounts of data. NSA doesn't have to be engaged in the actual targeting of groups and individuals. They just have to supply the information to those who will.

[kabar]

Thanks for the link. “Turnkey tyranny.” Snowden has a way with words.

[masadaman]

You have to look at the bright side about most illegals in California collecting welfare benefits and not picking fruit and vegetables. After the immigration bill passes, the illegals will be legal and then the percentage of illegals picking fruit and vegetables will go up.

So those who work in the fields are penalized and those who don't work and collect benefits are rewarded. :)

[Girlene]

They’ve gone WAY too far, IMO. See Paleobob’s post 250 (below yours).