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Rand Paul: 'When Republican Party looks like the rest of America, we'll win'
Christian Science Monitor via Yahoo News ^ | June 2, 2013 | Mark Trumbull

Posted on 06/02/2013 7:39:36 AM PDT by Innovative

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To: Innovative
What do the Rand Paul supporters think -- is this a sensible, winning strategy or betrayal of conservatives?

Winning strategy. What Rand means, I think, is that we can win over members of other minority and ethnic groups into a belief in Freedom. Freedom is a potent force, capable of opening the eyes of even the most closed minds.

Also, it is my experience that, no matter who the public figure is, it's virtually impossible to agree with any individual on every issue.

Allen West, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney (lol), Rand Paul; whoever you can mention as one of your political heroes, I guarantee that there will be specific policy positions with which you will disagree. It's inevitable.

So, acknowledging that fact, I think that if Rand Paul's comments include "winning over" such people to embrace the core of a general belief in Freedom, minimal government, anti-Tyranny, and so on, then, yes, that's a winning strategy.

We have to understand that the best way to heal this country is to educate these low information voters into becoming high information voters. When that happens, our side begins to win the debate.

No matter how righteous our cause is, we will never be able to coerce our political enemies into adopting our views, and, given the demographic realities, educating them so that they can intelligently join with us is the only logical way to proceed.

No matter how deep the notion is submerged and repressed, we know that almost all human beings long for Freedom. We just have to awaken them to that. And FR, however imperfect its denizens may be, is an instrument to that end.

121 posted on 06/02/2013 7:18:50 PM PDT by sargon
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To: TheOldLady

Drat! Oh, well, we can still rejoice. And he called conservatives “progressive fascists”, while leftists were “progressive socialists”. Apparently only libertarians are decent people. LOL


122 posted on 06/02/2013 7:50:15 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Innovative

I was kind of liking Rand recently and would have supported him on the 2016 ticket. But if this is his attitude, then I can’t support it. As far as I’m concerned, the rest of America needs to look like the Tea Party. Which is to say, employed, productive, moral, self-reliant, responsible, honest. If Rand thinks we’re all supposed to go on welfare, just who does he think is going to pay for it?


123 posted on 06/02/2013 8:47:03 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Texan5

I think the only way it will turn around is when things get so utterly horrible that people are actually hungry and they see in their own states hellish brutality.

Fat, lazy, glued to TV and porn, doped up, on welfare - and that includes any kind of entitlement and bennies from Uncle - has to come to a grinding halt and turn around.

And, IMHO, it will. But it’s going to get a lot worse first. Because there are way too many people completely dependent on Uncle, and willing to overlook too much as long as their check comes in, medical and drugs are paid, and so on.


124 posted on 06/02/2013 10:17:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Politicalmom

LOL! Decent? Libertarianism is right up there with liberalism in the “mental disorder” category.

And apparently libertarians are completely unaware about the meanings of “progressive,” “fascists,” and “socialists.”

I sort of looked kindly upon our misguided libertarians, if not the “absolutely anything goes” branch of the party.

But every time one of them trolls Free Republic as this one did, I move farther away from that benign attitude.


125 posted on 06/03/2013 2:49:58 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Innovative
What do the Rand Paul supporters think

I'm a Rand Paul supporter but I'd ask him: When does the innocent blood stop flowing?

Psalm 106:37-39
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.

126 posted on 06/03/2013 3:32:03 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Innovative

The GOPe nominated a NE liberal RINO last time and we had Dole and McCain....

I agree, the GOP should be more open to CONSERVATIVE views.


127 posted on 06/03/2013 3:33:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Innovative

oh. I misunderstood. I thought he was saying the GOPe, after McCain, Dole and Romney should try being more open to conservatives....

:p


128 posted on 06/03/2013 3:34:59 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Innovative
as a Republican who cares about the environment

as opposed to the vast majority who want the world to be a toxic waste dump I guess....

129 posted on 06/03/2013 3:35:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: lodi90
Why is it so difficult for the beltway GOP to engage the Dems?

because they agree on everything

130 posted on 06/03/2013 3:36:56 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: freebilly
Or what you're going to serve..., like pot brownies....

Anyone giving it to kids should be shot

131 posted on 06/03/2013 3:42:47 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Texan5

I would get rid of about 90% of federal spending but I would not “legalize” homosexual marriage, child porn (abolishing age of consent is a ludicrous idea), drugs and open the border... so I guess I will still be called a big government statist.


132 posted on 06/03/2013 3:47:06 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Altura Ct.

exactly.

Won’t be anything left to win.


133 posted on 06/03/2013 3:48:26 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: little jeremiah

bump


134 posted on 06/03/2013 3:53:42 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TheOldLady

I like the term “libertopian” because they believe in a Utopian fantasy that could not possibly work


135 posted on 06/03/2013 3:54:20 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
Anyone giving it to kids should be shot

Let me know if you feel the same way about anyone giving alcohol to kids. Or are you just a hypocrite...?

136 posted on 06/03/2013 7:06:39 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: little jeremiah

I’m pretty well convinced you are right-I’ve never accepted any unearned bennies from nanny fed-not even food stamps as a poor single mom and student-I just don’t think it is right, but I had plenty of friends who did it. Times are tough right now for me, but I’ll make it, because I’m ranch-bred and taught to be resourceful.

I’ve always lived a natural lifestyle, like an old hippie-but no drugs-illicit or prescription, or processed food, and I’m working toward growing even more veggies, having some chickens, building an off the grid home further into the woods, in a place nearby that is sort of a developing barter/commune area-going Galt as soon as possible-because I think you are absolutely right, and it is going to get worse-but I intend to be there to help it get better...


137 posted on 06/03/2013 8:48:06 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: GeronL

I agree on the 90%-and any civilized society needs to have an age of consent-you can’t allow the very young to become victims-that would make us no better than Rome, Greece or Viking raiders, carrying off kids into slavery.

I wouldn’t “legalize” any more social issues-but I wouldn’t muzzle priests, rabbis, and ministers either-that might put the proper pressure on, and stop the PC nonsense, which I really think is very wrong. And if there were enough border agents doing what we pay them for, and no freebies as an inducement to illegally cross those borders, the illegal problem would likely slow to a trickle pretty fast.

But, since neither you or I are in charge, I guess we have to keep voting and shouting till we are heard, and I pray to God it is soon...


138 posted on 06/03/2013 9:04:50 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: GeronL

[nodding] That sounds about right. [smiles]


139 posted on 06/03/2013 12:06:52 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: rintense
I’ve heard the big tent GOP model before. How’d that work out?

Worked out well in 2008 and 2012 - Obama was handily defeated by the big tent RINOs McCain and Romney, wasn't he?
140 posted on 06/03/2013 3:10:25 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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