Posted on 05/18/2013 3:59:25 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
The American writer Lawrence Auster had a debate with his readers regarding the possibility of splitting the USA along ideological lines. According to reader Tim W, modern Left liberalism is a universal totalitarian ideology, not a “live and let live” concept. The goal of its adherents is a world government from which no one can escape.
"Leftists need conservatives but conservatives don’t need leftists. To be blunt, they can’t let us go. We’d be happy to be rid of them, because to us they’re nothing but parasites and/or oppressors. But they can’t get rid of us because we do most of the work, pay most of the taxes, provide the stability and morality that allow their depravity to thrive with less damaging results. Furthermore, the white conservative population is the buffer protecting white liberals from the minorities."
A number of commentators questioned the viability of such a political division. Muslims believe not only that Islam is the best religion, but that it is the only true religion and that all people must be brought into its fold. Likewise, Leftists sincerely believe that Leftism is the only valid ideology, and that the whole world must be brought under its heel. Just like the very existence of self-governed communities outside of Islamic rule is considered an intolerable act of aggression by devout Muslims, so the existence of self-governed non-Leftist communities anywhere, at least if they happen to be white, is unacceptable to Leftist True Believers. They don’t just want to rule themselves; they want to rule everybody else as well.
Good arguments were presented in favor of secession, but opponents point out that attempted partition would likely trigger coercion and force when the ruling oligarchs fear losing control. If the Left sees everything it has promoted for generations about to be overturned it might resort to violence. Above all, opponents questioned whether the whole idea of “just wanting to be left alone” is defeatist and leaves the opponents with the initiative. Perhaps the battle cannot be won until we go on the offensive and take the ideological war to the enemy.
As reality is now, whites are considered potential extremists merely for existing, whereas the most revolting non-white organizations imaginable go free. For example, groups affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which has the stated goal of destroying Western civilization, are labeled “moderates,” whereas whites who want an immigration policy that prevents such people from settling in their countries are demonized as “racist extremists” by the media.
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Bertha Lewis, the chief executive officer of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now or ACORN, spoke in March 2010 before the Young Democratic Socialists conference. There she predicted a USA headed toward violence that will “dwarf the internments during World War II.” Curiously, this statement was hardly reported in the mass media. She said that immigration is a big battle.
"And the reason this is so important is, you know, here’s the secret: (whispering) We’re getting ready to be a majority, minority country. Shhhh. We’ll be like South Africa. More black people than white people. Don’t tell anybody."
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The problem is that extremist left-wing elements have received tacit approval for carrying out violence and intimidation for years. This trend is escalating because of thugs such as the Antifa groups in Western Europe. These Leftist vandals get away with what they do because they know they have the quiet backing of the media and the political elites. Also in 2010, the University of Ottawa in Canada cancelled a speech by the U.S. conservative writer Ann Coulter because organizers feared left-wing protesters would turn violent.
(FULL ARTICLE) http://europenews.dk/en/node/31942
Secession makes sense in my mind. I’m a supporter of it, since Obamacare went down where Obama attempts to force me to pay for abortion + contraception contrary to my own faith.
There is also that factor that a modern parent no longer trusts the government school even if he sends his children there. My thesis is that the parents who for any reason at all use the public school system must take it as an obligation to explain to the child that that is enemy territory. I offered no guarantee of success. Maybe 15% succeed, maybe 50%. It would, of course, be much better if the public schools were accountable to the public or abolished altogether.
Observe also that 2 years after graduation from high school is not a reasonable horizon. The homeschooler children still, a certain percentage anyway, go to college where they learn from abortionists doing commencement speeches, clueless professorate and Vagina Monologues. That, to a former public school kid would be no surprise. To a homeschooling kid, it might knock him off his rocker for good.
If the results are this bad for children in Christian homes and this **good** for Christian homeschoolers why would you believe it would be different for political and cultural outcomes
It would not be better. Political, cultural and religious must not be separated in human makeup as all three form a single human.
As for “accountable to the public”:
That means the voting mob faction with the most political power. Obviously, when it comes to religion, politics, and culture ( **all** schools are intimately involved in all three) the only solution is to abolish socialist-entitlement schools and move to a completely private system.
Liberty is a Judeo-Christian belief and all men are entitled to liberty having been created in the likeness and image of God. Hence, we seek a form of government to recognize that belief.
But at the same time:
I do reject that democracy is the best form of government because I do value liberty and know that mobs are ruled by passion, not reason.
Perhaps we confuse "fitness to rule" with "entitlement of liberty"?
I am asking because I don't know. I am a monarchist, but these terms remain at tension in any social theory, either Jeffersonian or monarchic.
Historically,I am reminded of Chile in the 70s. The cities were shut down by Chilean opposition groups simply by dumping a few boxes of nails and tacks on the roads leading into and out of the cities. I am certain there are many other historical examples of the vulnerability of cities.
First, I don’t think that the author meant “cannot coexist” to mean “exterminate”. Of course we have to coexist because we exist and also they exist. The corollary of “we cannot coexist” is rather
1. Immigration reform so that ethnic and cultural kinship again begin to matter in immigration;
2. Immigration reduction altogether;
3. Resurrect the concept of dominant culture: a church spire in America should always, by rights and by law, be preferred to a minaret.
4. Discard compromise as a political tool. Perhaps we are heading to a model of power where the Washington is in perpetual gridlock. It is preferable to McCain-Feingold, Hatch-Kennedy type of compromising which can be better described as liberal ratchet.
There is a limit to the usefulness of the East European example. Leftism was installed in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, by a Communist International using cosmopolitan instigators and criminal and destitute domestic social element to fill the Red Army and to crush rural resistance to it everywhere. When the Red Army was gone, life on the ruins began. While peoples’ psyche remains wounded in East Europe — to the point that one begins to question the survival of Russia as a single nation, for example, — the trajectory there is not going to resemble ours where there has been no foreign conquest.
...and will rush in with a gale force once they are in college.
I am not against homeschooling at all. Do what you can. My point is that the parents must teach the kids that they will live in a culture and in a legal climate hostile to them. This is a very un-American thought, but however painful that is, that's the reality for conservative families today.
The Republic is very nearly dead. Democracy has replaced it. A return to the society as the Constitution describes it: a union of sovereign states run by customary law and local government, with voting franchise limited to property owners of Christian religion, -- would be wonderful. The point of the article is that it cannot occur through means of political compromise, and therefore it cannot occur through democratic means as we currently know them.
Interesting that the idea gains strength. We'll see. Obviously, the conventional wisdom is that the Civil War somehow settled it.
Well, yeah, but some of us cannot postpone our reproductive activities till such time.
"Public schools accountable to the public" was an ironic statement. Of course they should be accountable to the parents who pay for their existence and trust them with their kids. There is nothing "public" in how our "public" schools are run.
The constitution permits it. Ultimately governance rests with the people and if the people do not feel they are adequately represented then they have the power to change/replace their government.
Yes.
...and will rush in with a gale force once they are in college.
Well, my kids won't be attending any college that's become a Communist indoctrination camp - which is most of them. If they even want to go to college, they'll go to a place like Hillsdale College, or the like.
We're in that 7% of Americans who own their own business, so my kids already have ready career paths ahead of them.
So you have it set then.
To the best of our ability, yes.
Even that's no guarantee. Kids are going to go their own way in life and make their own choices. We know that. All we can do is our very best, to raise them with common sense and good morals, and to warn them of the pitfalls and dangers out there. The rest is up to them.
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>>>First, I don’t think that the author meant “cannot coexist” to mean “exterminate”. Of course we have to coexist because we exist and also they exist. The corollary of “we cannot coexist” is rather<<<
Nobody said you have to get a gun and shoot leftists.
And as I said if you don’t like East European example just look at Argentina.
>>> the trajectory there is not going to resemble ours where there has been no foreign conquest.<<<
Aren’t all these alien people a foreign conquest? Russia is in better position, because all these alien population was on the edge of their the border. Here you have it in inner cities nationwide.
Yes, I see your point. Common to all leftwing projects everywhere is destruction of a nation; it is replaced with things like "class solidarity of the working people", or "open-border democracy", so you can say that loss of freedom is invariably a loss of nationhood.
“We will tolerate them as long as they are kept on a very short leash.”
After a hundred million innocent dead in the twentieth century, no liberal is entitled to the slightest consideration, courtesy, or civility. Liberals should be reviled, abominated, spat upon, even beaten, whenever they have the gall to show their faces in the presence of decent people.
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