Posted on 04/26/2013 1:43:57 PM PDT by NYer
There’s deception going on in the front office of the Boy Scouts. It includes deliberate misrepresentation of polling data, and threats to pack an upcoming meeting with anonymous and unqualified voters so that the Boy Scout policy on homosexuality gets forced on the majority of Scouts and parents who don’t want it.
The Boy Scouts are considering changing their policy of not allowing open homosexuality in either their Scout or leadership ranks. The policy has placed the Boy Scouts in the buzz saw of the zeitgeist and up until recently they have resisted. There are some weak-kneed leaders who want to throw over the policy and appear willing to violate the Scout Law to do it.
The Scout front office released the result of a national survey and “listening” process that purported to show that the Scouts—boys, parents, leaders and donors—favor a change in the policy. The Boy Scouts say the process reveals great changes in attitudes and that a majority of those at all levels of Scouting “tend to agree that youth should not be denied the benefits of Scouting.”
This was dutifully and even triumphantly reported in the mainstream press. The only problem is the news reports were wrong. And the news reports were wrong because the Boy Scouts misrepresented the results. One close observer of the Boy Scouts calls the poll “a pack of lies.”
Do Scouting parents want to overhaul the policy and allow open homosexuality in the Scouts? The Executive Summary of the Poll says, “yes”, but the numbers say “no.” Fifty percent of Cub Scout parents support the current restrictive policy while 45% oppose it. A whopping 61% of Boy Scout parents support the current policy.
How did Boy Scout leadership get anywhere near the assertion that a majority of those in Scouting support homosexuality in Scouting? Part of what they did was what is known as a push-poll, a questionnaire designed not to elicit an accurate opinion but one designed to change opinions.
Here’s the most sympathetic scenario presented to the respondents: “Tom started in the program as a Tiger Cub and finished every requirement for the Eagle Scout award at 16 years of age. At his board of review Tom reveals he is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the review board to deny his Eagle Scout award based on that admission?”
Read this way, you may conclude that it is not right or just to deny Tom his award. Even so, the numbers show that a majority of parents still continue to support the current policy.
What is going on here? Deception, that’s what. There is a small group on the Executive Committee of the Boy Scouts who want this policy to change. What they face is a membership that largely opposes the measure. So, they try to get their way by lying about a poll. But there is more deception than that.
The Executive Board took up the issue a few months ago and after a tsunami of protest punted the issue to a vote of their National Council set to take place on May 20th. There are usually 1400 voting members of this body who qualify through strict criteria. Insiders have been told there may be an additional 2,000 voting members at the upcoming meeting. Who are they? The Boy Scouts leaders aren’t telling. Are they trying to pack the meeting? It sure looks that way.
A group of Scouting parents have grown alarmed over these deceptive practices and have hired not one but two lawyers to represent their interests and not just their interests but the interest of fairness and making sure the Boy Scout Executive Committee sticks to their own by-laws that are very clear about who can vote. There are legal issues here and this whole process could end up on court.
On the eve of the vote the Executive Committee will make a presentation on this issue to the National Council. The Executive Committee is the group driving this change and is the group presenting these deceptive numbers. You can be sure in that meeting there will be no presentation from supporters of the current policy, and you can be sure the Executive committee will continue to spin their deceptive tale about how most of Scouting is fine with open homosexuality in the program.
All this goes to show once more the lengths of deception that some will go to advance an agenda that is offensive to most Americans. They cannot win an up or down vote so they lie about a poll. They cannot convince regular people so they have to pack the meeting.
The number one item in the Boy Scout law is to be trustworthy. The process ought to be stopped and there ought to be a housecleaning and all these untrustworthy guys should get the boot.
I don 't do enough, and I am ashamed of that. I have to stop wringing my hands and wailing "When is somebody going to stand up and fight?"
Consider that many scouts are from liberal voting areas that are easily susceptable to any new pc propaganda that comes along. Look at who they have been voting for these past thrty or forty years—Democrats. What have the Democrap leadership been supporting for the past forty years? Abortion and gay rights and yet those blue voting areas do not dump that party from hell.
Maybe there should be a split in the Boy Scouts with the traditional Americans staying together and the freak-of-the week Americans can follow the devil down to hell.
For the last 10 + years there has been huge concern over transmission of HIV/AIDS. As a result medical professional, police, firemen and jailers take precaution to avoid contact with bodily fluids (includes spit) of potential homosexuals transmitting the disease. Why is there no concern with protecting the boy scouts. Why shouldn’t all homosexual boys entering the scouts be tested for the disease as a precaution to protect others? Makes sense to me. Was that a poll question??????
Parents have to take into consideration that it is not only the adult homosexuals who are a problem but even the young ones will be sleeping in the same tents with their sons. Who wants to send their kids on camping trips with hormone driven homosexual adolescents. In addition, the homos will take every opportunity to preach the homosexual agenda at every opportunity. They get the indoctrination from the homosexual youth organizations that are all over the schools today so that they know all the smart a$$ pat answers to any objection to homosexuality. They want to get close to kids so that they can either get into their heads or into their pants.
This *gay* lad should be given some Bible tracts about what the Bible says about homosexuality. They may get the *right* to get in the Boy Scouts but nobody says they have to be comfortable there.
Obviously, the way to avoid perversion lawsuits is to open the door to admitting more perverts.
They can then change their name to “Turd Pokers of America”.
Funny thing (Not really that funny) is that probably not that many boys will join and say, “I am gay, so you gotta let me in!” I think it is more a liberal victory. Seriously what percentage of the gay community wants to be in BSA. I can see it now. The Scoutmaster says, “Guys, I want to introduce our newest scout, Joey.” The scouts clap. The scoutmaster then says “And for the record, Joey is gay. But remember guys, we have to treat Homosexuals the same as Heterosexuals. By the way, who wants to tent with Joey?” From the back a ten year old says, “Sir, what do you mean he is gay?” “Well son, get your parents to explain it to you”, says the Scoutmaster
This has nothing to do with gay scouts. You and I both know this is true. Since the sexual preference question is not on the application, there are gay boy scouts. I would find it hard to comb troops in America and not find one gay scout. Maybe I am wrong. With that said, if a Scout is gay, will he now admit it?
I watched Christian and my own former denomination cave in the face of sin to keep from making the faithful "feel uncomfortable" sitting in the pews. I left the church of my childhood when I could no longer stomach what I was hearing from the pulpit, hoping I could make changes from within.
When I realized I was trying to "cast pearls before swine," (though it was not my pearls but the words of Christ) I felt led to "kick the sand from my shoes," and find a group of people that at least were looking for the truth in scriptures rather than those who were denying them, to perform "social services to the community."
Now to the Scouts, it is time to grab our pitch forks and clean out the barn!
I once heard a Sunday message where we were told that when we have times of peace, we need to study, pray and strengthen ourselves for the next battle, not think the battle has been won, for Satan never sleeps.
It will only be thus when Christ returns.
Rule Six: There is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Rule Six!!!
Rule Seven: No poofters!
Seriously, this is not the BSA I knew as a Scout. Of course, that was fifty years ago. Geez......
Oh, wow, they have executives, I didn’t know that, I thought it was just a family/community kind of thing. I do know that the United Fund which is a pc charity sewer has been a donor to the Boy Scouts. We have to take a good look at the *charities* and tax exempt groups. There are Christian ones amd there are secular humanist liberal ones. At one time when America was one country it was safe to give to general groups such as the United Fund, Red Cross etc. but many of the executive people are indoctrinated in all the politically correct (corrupt) idealogies. Look at what happened to Susan Kolmen for the Cure? Millions of people gave money because they know someone who had breast cancer but it became known a couple of years ago that they were part of the liberal agenda. They were giving money to Planned Parenthood and many people did not know this. Many of these ngo groups are liberals who just want a good paying job away from the hated business world.
Isn’t it always the case, the elites are corrupt and departed from their values.
National Scout Executive (professional)- Wayne Brock
National President (volunteer) - Wayne Perry (co-owner Seattle Mariners)
National Commissioner (volunteer) - "Tico" Perez
National Executive Committee (volunteer) - James Turley (CEO, Ernst & Young)
National Executive Committee (volunteer) - Randall Stephenson (CEO, AT&T) and expected to be elected National BSA President in 2014
National Past President (volunteer) - Rex Tillerson (CEO, Exxon)
Agree to a point. The top 6 denominations which charter Scouting units ...
1. LDS - yep, they folded this week
2. UMC - a house divided, probably will fold
3. Roman Catholic - very disappointed they haven't spoke out more against this given their own internal homosexual scandal.
4. ELCA - they ordain homosexuals. Stick a fork in 'em
5. PCUSA - they ordain homosexuals. Gig'em
6. Baptists - all flavors. The Southern Baptist Convention is THE ONLY Christian denomination among the top 6 charter institutions that is fighting the good fight against the homosexualists.
Tim Jeal’s exhaustive biography of B-P, The Boy-Man: The Life of Lord Baden-Powell, was published in 1990. He speculated that B-P could have been a repressed homosexual. Jeal's conclusion was shared by some biographers and disputed by others, but has not yet been examined in any detail by scholars.
1. His father was an Anglican minister. He died when B-P was 3 years old. His widowed mother raised him along with 6 siblings. She was a strong woman who was determined that her children would succeed.
2. B-P had a very close friendship with Kenneth McLaren in their early army service years. McLaren would later marry and die while relatively young.
3. He had very few, if any, female friends over the course of his life.
4. There is no evidence of him ever having a romantic girl friend.
5. His record of correspondence showed apathy for the female body.
6. His record of correspondence showed a keen appreciation for the male body.
7. His record of correspondence with the headmaster of his old public school, Charterhouse School, included a request to see, again, a photo album of nude male students. (Such photos were taken in those days for medical evaluation of range of motion of the limbs, to assess spinal alignment (detect scoliosis) and polio development. This was done for males and females, and was part of medical training in orthopedics and pediatrics and was a standard of medical practice. It was done in the U.S. starting in the 1880’s in the Ivy League colleges. Charterhouse was a school for the affluent.)
8. As a child, his sense of dramatics was encouraged which developed into a fondness for acting out skits and plays.
9. He was especially fond of the play/book, “Peter Pan; or, the Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up” which appeared in 1904.
10. He married Olave St Clair Soames in 1912 when he was 55 and she was 23 (5 years after he founded the Scouting movement in the UK.) Her father thought B-P led her own in hopes of marriage. The evidence does not indicate B-P behaved improprely. Her father would have publicly humiliated B-P had B-P not married his daughter.
11. The evidence suggested that their marriage was not romantically passionate.
12. After siring 3 children with Olave, he arranged separate bedrooms for Olave and him in their home for the rest of his life.
13. It’s been 10+ years since I read this book. I recall an account which happened in the earlier years of Scouting in the U.K. B-P was pioneering the start of a long term encampment for boys (i.e., summer camp) and training center for adult volunteers. His friend, William McLaren, purchased the Cranshaw estate in Sewardstonebury, Epping Forest, close to Chingford, London. He went on to donate the property to the Scout Association in 1919. This property became known as Gilwell Park and is still in use today. Anyway, there were several incidents in the 1920s at Gilwell Park where adult Scouters sexually molested youth Scouts during encampments. This problem has plagued Scouting since its earliest days.
Amen x 40
This Catholic says, “God bless the Baptists!” The whole situation is so horrible -— so unbelievable —
I like your thinking. The conservatives are in the majority right now in BSA, but not by much. Purge the liberals by maintaining the current membership policy. Let all the liberals go to the Baden-Powell Scout Association. It crossed the pond and was incorporated in the U.S. in 2002.
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