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To: muawiyah
She posted “you are a liar” after you posted that Freepers wanted the terrorist released.

I have seen no evidence of that. As for the searches. If a homeowner objected to the search, and they were searched anyway, that, in my opinion, is a violation of the 4th Amendment. If they consented under the point of a gun, then that sounds like coercion to me. Others may disagree. And they have.

As far as the video. It's not as if people are just “making things up”. Unless the video was a bunch of actors, then people are being removed from their homes. With hands in the air. That can't be disputed. I think you would agree that the video posted is not of all the searches, just one of many.

Again, if any one of the homeowners objected to the search and were searched anyway, without a warrant, then it was a violation. Any other reading of the 4th amendment is akin to the gungrabber reading of the 2nd.

194 posted on 04/24/2013 12:08:00 PM PDT by saleman
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To: saleman
Right there you state something that's simply not backed up ~ that they were being removed from their own home. More than one thread on that movie notes that the owner asked the cops to do that.

How you need to look at the pictures depends to a considerable degree on what it all meant to the participants, and whose property it is.

Do you have information you care to impart to us that will inform us of what really went on?

195 posted on 04/24/2013 12:17:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: saleman
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I never said 'freepers' ~ that's your addition to a nonstory. This all started when one of our barhoppers said I was drunk. I don't drink. I don't hang around bars. I wasn't drunk.

And, as a practical matter, all I said to PO people who don't read well was to note that we have some on this thread who wanted to turn the perp loose because of allegations that others were having their 4th amendment rights abridged.

Whether or not the people in this video had their rights abridged has nothing to do with that particular argument since NOBODY KNOWS!

196 posted on 04/24/2013 12:23:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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