Posted on 04/23/2013 10:36:56 AM PDT by OKRA2012
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.
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Seems to me that the so-celled principled beliefs on this person have caused him/her to actually reject what the Bible teaches. I would like to know exactly when this person believes a child is no longer the property of its parents.
Does your biblical perspective allow for the keeping of human slaves?
Yes or no.
Ephesians 6:9
And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
Colossians 4:1
Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
1 Timothy 6:2
Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.
Seems to me that the so-celled principled beliefs on this person have caused him/her to actually reject what the Bible teaches. I would like to know exactly when this person believes a child is no longer the property of its parents.
And I would not use the word “property”. I would use the word “responsibility”.
Seems to me that the so-celled principled beliefs on this person have caused him/her to actually reject what the Bible teaches.
But I need scriptural evidence, not mere statements of opinion that my beliefs go against what the bible teaches.
At which point do you believe children become free moral agents apart from their parents authority?
When they leave home? What is you basis for this answer?
Let me be really clear about the “forcing under aged girls to marry” concept. First, I think the line where girls are no longer under aged is a matter of opinion. My personal definition is that once they ovulate, they are no longer under age. Second, I think the girl should have the option of leaving if she chooses not to marry the person her parents chose.
If she is under age, I do believe the parents are overtly abusing her and should not be allowed to “force” her. If they are merely choosing the person she should marry once she is, by definition, a woman, that is not the same thing, however.
As long as someone is under your roof, they are under your responsibility. Once they are not under your roof, they are no longer covered by that umbrella.
“As for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord.” That comment does not mean that everyone in the guy’s house suddenly becomes a saved Christian. It means those that choose to stay will abide by that man’d Christian sensibilities, whatever they may be.
At which point do you believe children become free moral agents apart from their parents authority?
When they leave home? What is you basis for this answer?
Your biblical worldview does not seem to distinguish between those things that were recorded in scripture due to the cultural situation of the day, and those things that God has proscribed for all time.
Personally, I don’t think that God has proscribed that we make slaves of other human beings or that we have absolute control over our children to the extent that we control their destiny.
“My personal definition is that once they ovulate, they are no longer under age.”
OH MY GOODNESS! Your opinion of women is that of brood mares, and I find that despicable.
“When they leave home.”
And, tell me, does that include unmarried young women, too?
And, tell me, does that include unmarried young women, too?
OH MY GOODNESS! Your opinion of women is that of brood mares, and I find that despicable.
So you believe a parent has the right to force a daughter to marry as long as she lives at home, but, of course, if you follow through with your belief that you have absolute authority over your children, you must give permission for her to leave home first. And while I agree that “eighteen” is quite the arbitrary age, just how long do you believe you have control over your children? Speaking hypothetically, of course.
By the way, I am a grandmother with happily married daughters. And when one of the young men asked our permission to marry our daughter, my husband plainly told him he doesn’t give permission, but does give his blessing. “Our blessing,” in fact. :)
I can’t say that I am shocked, since I know many folks like you in the homeschooling community. It matters not that “other” children might be abused and worse, only that they would never abuse their own precious children. Who gives a darn about other people’s children. That “other” parents are free to abuse their children is just fine with them. Oh, it bothers them...but just a bit.
Yes, I am a homeschooler.
Personally, I don’t think that God has proscribed that we make slaves of other human beings or that we have absolute control over our children to the extent that we control their destiny.
So you believe a parent has the right to force a daughter to marry as long as she lives at home, but, of course, if you follow through with your belief that you have absolute authority over your children, you must give permission for her to leave home first.
It matters not that “other” children might be abused and worse, only that they would never abuse their own precious children.
And it is not lost on me that my children will have to share their world with those kids as adults.
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