Oh there is a war alright. Look at what they did.
There is no doubt that the perps are enemy combatants.
Obama is about to reap the genuine disfavor of America by his decision NOT to treat them as enemy combatants:
Posted on 04/22/2013 10:42:57 AM PDT by Envisioning
Define "allegiance".
If the courts were to give a liberal interpretation to the oath you took, then the government should be able to strip you of your citizenship merely because you have posted something disagreeable about our dear leader Obama.
I don't think you want to go down that road.
Oh there is a war alright. Look at what they did.
There is no doubt that the perps are enemy combatants.
Obama is about to reap the genuine disfavor of America by his decision NOT to treat them as enemy combatants:
Speaking as a Prosecutor of 25 years .... good.
The LAST thing we want is American Citizens being treated as enemy combatants. Own gun and say something bad about the POTUS? Enemy combatant. Own several assault weapon? Enemy combatant. You have NO idea the disaster this would be if he were so declared. There is NO upside to it.
Furthermore, why on EARTH would anyone want to suspend the Constitution and not have him tried in Federal Court? He’ll be convicted. Slam dunk. Why would we want the Terrorists to win and have them shut down our judicial system? I can’t think of a reason.
Hands down the correct decision to preserve our Republic.
It is this crazy GOP-led foolishness - they want him an EC, but won’t shut the borders down. Just like Bush - act tough, but keep the back door open.
I think I mostly agree with you, but I have a problem with this “magical” naturalized citizen concept. I say “magical” because everyone seems to act like it’s a done-deal, even though he swore an oath to be a citizen that he didn’t mean or keep. Why doesn’t that come into play in determining his status and the venue?
If this (in my view, absurd) interpretation of naturalization is the standard, then I think the process toward the outcome you fear will be accelerated. Jihadists will use our mis-application of Constitutional protections against us, and things will then deteriorate to the point where we willingly allow all of us to be considered Enemy Combatants in order to fight the terror.
I think there should be a substantive difference between natural born and naturalized citizenship, certainly as far as “acts of war” against the US are concerned. The oath for citizenship needs to mean something. If it doesn’t, then immigration, itself, is insanity.
A US citizen has been tried, and executed, as an enemy combatant on US soil- 71 years ago.
Repressed social anxiety manifesting itself symbolically via pressure cooker bomb.
His citizenship can be stripped first since it appears he lied when he made his oath last September.
I think they need to strip him of his citizenship. He deserves no rights.
I think that would set a precedence that you can have your rights revoked if you lie under oath.
They can’t do that for people that were born here.
It is also a burden to prove someone lied, but i think this case shows it.
A person born here cannot be stripped, but a naturalized citizen can be.
Wake up! The PRECEDENT HAS BEEN SET!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt
This is about whitewashing Islam and terror!
Seems to me that in 2013 those in control in DC cannot even charge the guy as a "terrorist". No mention of the word. Nobody should be surprised about any of this pResident's decisions.
This government refuses to use "terrorist" and "Islam" in the same phrase. THIS is more concerning to me.
Agreed.
Coal is expensive these days. Save the wattage and hang him.
I am so glad that I wasn’t required to make that decision. I told my wife when it was happening that people were being forced out of their houses without a search warrant. I just don’t know if I would have complied.
I know, mighty bold talk from a one eyed fat man, but still.
Problem is that the Obama administration has been dead set on NOT using the word "terrorism" and ignoring any possibility that these two guys may have had help or that they may have been trained outside the country. That's their narrative and has been since they lost their hopes that the bomber may have been a Tea Party Terrorist. Since identifying these two guys the term "terrorism" has been abandoned by these folks.
Obama made sure the charges were filed BEFORE all the investigations were concluded.
Agreed. Same theme of going into Iraq to ‘prevent’ future terrorism, while at the same time not securing the borders. Illogical. One can’t complain about the threat of terrorism, while at the same time not doing the things required to shut down such a threat.
Well said. We need to keep our wits about us, and not let our emotions override our reasoning. Above all else, the Constitution must be defended!
He ate too many Tweenkies
If you have proof they acted at the order or request of an entity from overseas that is engaged in combqt with the US then he can be seen as an enemy combatant. right now there is really no difference between him and the guy awaiting trial for Aurora. McVeigh blew up a federal bldg and killed federal employees and was tried in open federal court. Do you really want to give this or any administration the power to claim Americans as enemy combatants who are not clearly identified as fighting against American forces in the company of our enemy.?
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