Posted on 04/06/2013 7:38:14 PM PDT by South40
A few more details have been released about the apparent suicide of Matthew Warren, the 27-year-old son of Pastor Rick Warren, the popular evangelical leader of the Saddleback Valley Community mega-church in Southern California.
The Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's Department has announced Matthew Warren was found dead of what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his home in Mission Viejo, Calif.
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The 59-year-old pastor is the author of "The Purpose Driven Life," which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide, the church's website says --- making the book the bestselling hardback non-fiction book of all time and the second most-translated book in the world, after the Bible.
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Thanks for the wise words. Incredibly sad when this happens. I can’t imagine what this is like as a parent.
Having had way too much misfortune in my life recently; my empathy level is at a much different place than it used to be. People sometimes have a lot put on their plate that they don’t ask for.
Well said, Christie. Thank you.
I imagine the brady bunch is grinning from ear to ear and high fivin’ each other. High profile suicide. They gotta love it. Assholes. Cryin’ on the outside grinnin’ in public.
I like! Especially that last one.
Had a close relative who committed suicide. VERY difficult times for us as people were so judgmental of us as a family. The cause of death was bad enough.....but the community that shunned us REALLY left not only a scar....but a ditch from their heartless comments and some who didn’t show up to the funeral. We really found out who our “friends” were. And there weren’t many. Even friends I had all the way from childhood.
Prayers up for them. Not a huge fan of Warren, but this has to have him and his family absolutely gutted and heartbroken. I can’t even imagine losing a child this way.
We are all sinners, all selfish...differing only in degree, manifesting in ways as diverse as our fingerprints.
These situations are not cut and dried...I use the analogy of the many fibers and strands braided together to form the rope of one who has committed suicide by hanging.
Medicaiton or lack thereof is a fiber. So is each relationship, so is each self-perceived (or actual) failure. There may be a final trigger but that is still only one of many fibers.
So, Christians are saying he was a ‘fag’ so that’s why he killed himself — because he could never be happy — and because his father was an apostate and is being punished.
And gay people are hoping he was gay so they can accuse Rick of killing him, and they hope Rick is punished by being guilt-ridden for life.
What happened to good ‘ol empathy in this world?
Thanks for the link. That was enlightening.
I think sometimes people who suffer from severe depression often think they are a burden to the people around them and that everyone would be better off if they were not in the picture anyone. That person thinks they are doing everyone a favor by taking their life, when in reality the opposite is true - it causes great pain.
I don’t believe in his kind of religion but I wouldn’t wish this on anyone. It’s not natural for a parent to bury a child.
“making the book the bestselling hardback non-fiction book of all time”
What? The Bible is the best selling non-fiction book of all time.
Very sad. I have been suicidal more than once, as has a close relative and several friends (and some succeeded). It is a tragedy all around.
Clinical depression is a mental illness and treatable with proper medication and no, it doesn’t turn one into a zombie. Medication of any kind has certain side effects however there are many different types of medication that are available. Having depression doesn’t make a person ‘’crazy’’ or homicidal , more than anything if untreated suicide can happen. I know because I suffered from depression as did some members of my family. Thankfully after a few years on medication I felt better and my doctor could see the results and felt I no longer need meds.
I was protesting, so to speak, against the use of the word “selfish” to describe suicide, which you didn’t use, but which is commonly used, here and elsewhere all the time.
I’ve known only one suicide of someone close to me, a friend, a long time ago, and I still cannot forgive myself for failing him, even though I wasn’t who was the closest to him at the time.
What happened to good ‘ol empathy in this world?In today's modern world, folks would rush to the head of the line to cast the first stone.
I agree....sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one. The man had depression and he killed himself. That is good enough for me.
No you should not blame selfishness — some people are deathly afraid of the future and what it will bring.
What about those going on dangerous missions during WWII carrying a cyanide pill? I don’t think that they were selfish people.
I used to have the same outlook that you do....until a client killed himself. This man was enormously successful - the university had buildings named after him, he was wealthy, and his obituary took an entire column of the paper to list all his awards, organizations, charities, etc. Yet he killed himself....because of depression. He was self aware that his depression made him suicidal, and feared it. He didn’t want to kill himself...but he did.
Now I look at these cases very differently.
You are, unfortunately, utterly, utterly clueless.
maybe it was a purpose-driven death?
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