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Posted on 03/24/2013 12:47:31 PM PDT by zigzagzoom
Survey after survey has shown that views on basic social issues often move very slowly. But support for marriage equality is turning out to be one big exception to the rule. According to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, 58 percent of Americans now think it should be legal for same-sex couples to get married. That is an astounding increase from a low of 32 percent less than a decade ago. And in another shift that is seen as directly related to support for equal rights, only 24 percent see homosexuality as a choice, compared to 40 percent almost 20 years ago....
It has long been obvious that support for marriage equality was higher among the young. But the numbers now demonstrate how truly rare it is for a young person to oppose gay marriage. Eighty-one percent of adults younger than 30 support marriage equality, compared to 44 percent of seniors. In both cases, that’s 10 points higher than it was in March 2011, showing how much support for gay marriage has soared in such a short time. Even though Democrats still back marriage equality far more than Republicans—72 percent versus 34 percent—both groups have seen increases in support since 2004, with 18 points for Republicans and 29 points among Democrats.
The poll also appears to demonstrate how Americans are seeing the issue of gay marriage as one of basic rights and fairness, with 64 percent saying its legality should be decided for all states based on the U.S. Constitution....
(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...
Although you'd think getting as many responses as possible would be the game when you are down to an average of 9% responding, the counter-intuitive move is to CLEAN UP THE RESPONSES YOU DO GET ~ lot of garbage in there.
Their other move was to apply right-reason to the responses ~
I suggest you do the same here with the POST ABC polls. They are trying to tell you things really changed all at once ~ on a long term policy issue concerning human tradition (And probably biological inclination) ~ and that's just always wrong. This particular poll is more like push polling ~ but with even less value.
Couldn’t agree more with your polling opinion. I do get a little tired of people ignoring the polling by just calling it names. Polling is a tool. Should polling show that you are behind you have to change minds not bury your head in the sand screaming lalalalala.
See my post above ~ he’s wrong.
Sorry, you’re wrong. Of course we could go back and forth but the proof is in the results. Turns out the election polls done by anyone not named Rasmussen or Gallup were very close.
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And the majority of Muslims agree that Israel should be pushed into the sea.
Gays already have equal rights to everyone else in society. You are pushing for the right to dictate your mental illness and disease on the whole of society.
That is very creepy top down social engineering which ignores the freedom of thought and religion.
Romney's internal polls ~ for which he paid a fortune ~ may have misled him with Mormons and rich people answering every call from every pollster!
Yes, sometimes public opinion changes on an issue fairly dramatically - and in a short period of time. You do realize this is not just an American phenomenon, right? I just made this point to someone earlier, the Pope himself (when he was an archbiship)lost this issue in overwhelmingly Catholic Argentina. That happened in 2010. 10 years prior and he would probably have won that fight. Opinions changed dramatically - just as they have in much of Europe. The left has fought for cultural dominance throughout the West.
Although you'd think getting as many responses as possible would be the game when you are down to an average of 9% responding, the counter-intuitive move is to CLEAN UP THE RESPONSES YOU DO GET ~ lot of garbage in there.
What does all this have to do with my point? You claimed polling was increasingly inaccurate, I said you were completely wrong and used the 2012 election as an example. I mean, there is really no debate here. Polling was right. Conservatives that disputed polling and the models behind it have since acknowledged they were wrong. Polling is getting more accurate, not less.
on a long term policy issue concerning human tradition (And probably biological inclination)
Dude, the polling isn't asking whether people are gay, it's asking whether people support homo marriage. A majority 10 years ago didn't, now they do. It isn't that hard to believe considering we've seen the same shifts in public opinion throughout Europe and in other places - such as the example of Argentina that I used.
I make this point a lot, but it really is important. Refusing to believe political realities makes it even harder for us going forward. People that are refusing to believe the polls or claiming we are only losing because of voter fraud are simply burying their heads in the sand.
The left has essentially completely taken over the education, media and entertainment establishments. Conservatives ceded these important areas that shape culture, and the result is shifts in the way people view these important social issues. It's not a shock. More and more conservatives like Breitbart (God rest his soul) realized this and were taking the fight to the left on the ground they've so dominated. That's what we need to do more of going forward.
As much as this pains me ppp was consistent and on the number all through the cycle blowing your theory up.
LOL! Guess he zigged when he should have zagged cuz he zoomed outta here.
What is this gibberish? We had thousands upon thousands of state and tracking polls that showed the same thing throughout the 2012 campaign. It was fairly consistent, and Nate Silver's model (just an example) was aggregating the polls and providing statistical odds the entire way through. Obama was winning, all the way through the campaign - and the polling showed this clearly. Romney got a bump after the first debate, but it was never enough. The polls are a matter of record. You could go back to RCP and look at them. Nobody changed them after the fact. We lost by 5 million votes man, it really wasn't all that close. The folks on our side that disputed the polls have largely admitted they were wrong, why can't you?
Your point that I responded to was the following:
As I've been explaining since last summer, the use of polling to determine public opinion has collapsed to utter nonsense.
And that's just wrong. You shouldn't have been saying this since last summer because it's utter nonsense.
Do you like old movies about gladiators?
Have you ever been to a Turkish bathhouse?
Do you own a rubber chicken? Do you call him Bob?
It lightens my heart to think that this is true, regarding the state of support for sodomy but whether this is or is not the case. Marriage as an institution is affectingly dead in our popular culture.
The problem is simple in popular culture the primary propose of ‘marriage’ is now to express an emotion not commit to raising one particular family.
This is not marriage as he institution was for thousands of years, and this union whatever it should be call instead has no need for the legal bonds of true matrimony either.
After all if “love” is the foundation of marriage then when when people fall out of love logically they should fall out of marriage.
But when family is the foundation as it was for thousands of years the marriage is binding so long as there are children.
Remember what you know of history and tell me which of theses explication’s adds up more with the facts and rules of historic marriages.
In any event popular couture’s concept of marriage as defined by “love” is an effectily pointless institution deserving no respect or family support.
Pop culture doesn’t rule my world, and the MSM promotion of it doesn’t change reality.
To suggest that it is inevitable that society will cave to it’s most base instincts and it is futile to resist is NOT the way I choose to approach life.
If society is to crumble then I intend to be the last man standing, not the first one caving.
A fecal poll.
You can stick your head in the sand if you want, but this is most likely the case. You can debate WHY its been happening, but the results are there. It has been a very successful propaganda campaign by the Left, and I think they have won on this one.
Sometimes, you have to pick your fights, and I dont think this one will work for us.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/30/we-are-the-91-only-9-of-americans-cooperate-with-pollsters/ This is a brief on the PEW report on the matter ~ may be written at a comprehension level you can deal with. If you can understand this then you may on to the PEW report itself. THIS WAS PUBLISHED LAST MAY ~ the fact you are unaware of it is suggestive of your being a rustic when it comes to statistical analysis.
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