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To: Longbow1969
When the PEW report came out in May all the smart pollsters took appropriate action ~ first, they began EXCLUDING all responses where there was any question about the age of the respondent. They added other questions ~ a sort of test ~ which indicated the respondent might not be the type they were after.

Although you'd think getting as many responses as possible would be the game when you are down to an average of 9% responding, the counter-intuitive move is to CLEAN UP THE RESPONSES YOU DO GET ~ lot of garbage in there.

Their other move was to apply right-reason to the responses ~

I suggest you do the same here with the POST ABC polls. They are trying to tell you things really changed all at once ~ on a long term policy issue concerning human tradition (And probably biological inclination) ~ and that's just always wrong. This particular poll is more like push polling ~ but with even less value.

22 posted on 03/24/2013 1:44:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
They are trying to tell you things really changed all at once

Yes, sometimes public opinion changes on an issue fairly dramatically - and in a short period of time. You do realize this is not just an American phenomenon, right? I just made this point to someone earlier, the Pope himself (when he was an archbiship)lost this issue in overwhelmingly Catholic Argentina. That happened in 2010. 10 years prior and he would probably have won that fight. Opinions changed dramatically - just as they have in much of Europe. The left has fought for cultural dominance throughout the West.

Although you'd think getting as many responses as possible would be the game when you are down to an average of 9% responding, the counter-intuitive move is to CLEAN UP THE RESPONSES YOU DO GET ~ lot of garbage in there.

What does all this have to do with my point? You claimed polling was increasingly inaccurate, I said you were completely wrong and used the 2012 election as an example. I mean, there is really no debate here. Polling was right. Conservatives that disputed polling and the models behind it have since acknowledged they were wrong. Polling is getting more accurate, not less.

on a long term policy issue concerning human tradition (And probably biological inclination)

Dude, the polling isn't asking whether people are gay, it's asking whether people support homo marriage. A majority 10 years ago didn't, now they do. It isn't that hard to believe considering we've seen the same shifts in public opinion throughout Europe and in other places - such as the example of Argentina that I used.

I make this point a lot, but it really is important. Refusing to believe political realities makes it even harder for us going forward. People that are refusing to believe the polls or claiming we are only losing because of voter fraud are simply burying their heads in the sand.

The left has essentially completely taken over the education, media and entertainment establishments. Conservatives ceded these important areas that shape culture, and the result is shifts in the way people view these important social issues. It's not a shock. More and more conservatives like Breitbart (God rest his soul) realized this and were taking the fight to the left on the ground they've so dominated. That's what we need to do more of going forward.

29 posted on 03/24/2013 2:09:23 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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