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Pa. House liquor committee approves sale of state store system
Morning Call ^ | 03/19/13 | Steve Esack

Posted on 03/19/2013 6:04:56 AM PDT by P.O.E.

In his Clark, Mercer County, home, that's old enough to understand the anguish his parents have faced over whether Billie will lose her hourly $21.48 salary and family health benefits as an assistant manager of a state liquor store if the Legislature agrees to privatize the sale of wine and spirits stores as Gov. Tom Corbett wants.

His mom is now one step closer to losing her job.

After a four-hour hearing Monday, the House Liquor Control Committee voted 14-10 along party lines to end the state's 80-year-old monopoly on the sale of booze as the Republican governor proposed as part of his $28.4 billion spending plan for 2013-14. The full House is scheduled to vote on the bill Thursday, and, if approved, the bill would move to the Senate for consideration before going to Corbett.

The bill the committee adopted is not as grand as Corbett had wanted and its projected proceeds of a sale would be $200 million lower than the governor's $1 billion estimate. Corbett would spend the money on public education.

(Excerpt) Read more at mcall.com ...


TOPICS: US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: paliquorstores; pastatestores
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A complex issue, but they have to start off with the maudlin (er, sorry "human interest") angle. Oh well.

No mention of structural shift costs, tax implications, cross-border sales, impact on consumption, changes in alcohol-related problems, etc. Just a magic $800M for schools.

I guess as long as the tree-gnat or whatever isn't harmed.

1 posted on 03/19/2013 6:04:56 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: P.O.E.

The article doesn’t say that regardless of who is in control of liquor sales, there will still be jobs. Just maybe not at $21.48 an hour.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 6:14:15 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: P.O.E.
When I first moved to Iowa in the late 1970s they still had state run liquor stores and the state was the sole liquor wholesaler. State run liquor stores were the epitome of inefficiency and senseless bureaucracy. I remember my wife and I enjoyed a particular inexpensive red wine that always seemed to be in short supply on the shelves. One day when the shelf was empty I asked the clerk whether they would be getting more of that wine. His answer... no we were not going to carry that wine anymore because we sold too much of it!
3 posted on 03/19/2013 6:23:24 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: martin_fierro

The dinosaur must die.


4 posted on 03/19/2013 6:33:02 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: The Great RJ

No doubt it will be run more efficiently. I was just musing over the dearth of info on the issue presented in the media.

Heck, over in NJ, I can get beer, liquor, mixers, a cigar, lottery, chips, and a decent sub sandwich all in one stop.

On the other hand, the local beer distributor is my favorite “big box store”. :)


5 posted on 03/19/2013 6:37:47 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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In PA I asked for a wine recomendation. They are not allowed to recommend any product. They are merely clerks and cannot give opinions on the products they sell. It should be better when privitized and knowlegeable sales people can actually help you make a decision.


6 posted on 03/19/2013 6:38:18 AM PDT by IC Ken
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“In PA I asked for a wine recomendation”

LOL When we visit the family in Pittsburgh, we take our own.


7 posted on 03/19/2013 6:46:13 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: P.O.E.

We’ve got the most screwed up liquor laws in the country here in Pennsylvania. The only thing I liked about living in Jersey was that I could pick up beer and wine in the grocery store.


8 posted on 03/19/2013 6:48:53 AM PDT by old and tired
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In PA I asked for a wine recomendation. They are not allowed to recommend any product

I didn't realize that. In fact, I have several times asked for and received recommendations from their personnel. I've only done it when I'm picking up a gift for someone.

9 posted on 03/19/2013 6:53:13 AM PDT by old and tired
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Corbett would spend the money on public education.

Baloney, it just gets dumped into the General Fund.

10 posted on 03/19/2013 6:56:10 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: P.O.E.

Worked in a Pa. liquor store my last year of college. We had a lot of rules about recommendations. Wine selection was poor then and hasn’t gotten noticeably better. They have more on-line than in the stores though.

Can’t buy beer in the state stores either so that’s two stops for a party. Hours and locations are limited as well.

Neighboring states reap the benefits in sales. NJ, Maryland benefit the most.

This is a good thing for the state and long overdue.


11 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:16 AM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: old and tired
We’ve got the most screwed up liquor laws in the country here

If memory serves, there's a limit on how much beer you could take home from a bar. It was some weird ounce-age, (192, I think) so it would take two of us to buy a case worth.

12 posted on 03/19/2013 7:16:00 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: JeanLM

personally, I feel the stuff causes more fatalities, and messes up more lives than it’s worth. And THEY’re worried about gun control..... this stuff is not only in the mix of many fatalities on the road, but ruins homes/lives. But take our guns...


13 posted on 03/19/2013 7:19:03 AM PDT by nevermorelenore
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Baloney, it just gets dumped into the General Fund.

I'm always leery of these claims. Back in my more naive days, I used to do the United Way drives at my office. There were some who objected to UW money going to such things as Planned Parenthood or whatever. As "reassurance", UW allowed you to direct your contributions to a specific organization (i.e., your local Girl Scouts). What they didn't tell you is that they then reduced that organization's allocation from the general fund, so they ended up with the same net. Then the UW was scandalized by corruption by its officials, and long story short, I'm not quite as naive anymore.

14 posted on 03/19/2013 7:21:54 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: freeangel

We have liquore stores and get the good wine in stock. Like Kendall Jackson and Starborough ect ect.


15 posted on 03/19/2013 8:00:34 AM PDT by angcat
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To: old and tired
I didn't realize that.

Some stores have dedicated premium wine rooms and knowledgeable personnel willing to help. Had a very good experience at Plymouth Meeting at Christmas.

16 posted on 03/19/2013 8:05:51 AM PDT by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: P.O.E.

The government should not be in any business. It should not be selling liquor. The media of course want the government to take over ALL businesses (see the communist manifesto) so they are unhappy.

These people have years of experience selling liquor. They can find a job easily.


17 posted on 03/19/2013 8:24:08 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Make you mad? $h!t in a hat.)
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Had a very good experience at Plymouth Meeting at Christmas.

That's my store! And here I've been joking with my wife all morning that the clerk picked that $20 bottle of wine we gave away last Christmas by its label. Just like we would've.

18 posted on 03/19/2013 8:26:43 AM PDT by old and tired
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want the government to take over ALL businesses

The new law includes this little tidbit:

"New alcohol retailers, such as wine and spirits stores, grocery stores, pharmacies and convenience stores would have to use an ID scanner device before they could sell alcohol."

Corbett's plan also calls for... (from a related article elsewhere)

19 posted on 03/19/2013 8:37:46 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro

The idea of handing over a huge pile of money from the sale of license to our politicians is distasteful.

Just this week stories of blatant corruption/kickbacks in the turnpike commission are coming out.

Privatizing state stores is a good idea in principle. In practice, it will be a feast for the corrupt politicians.


20 posted on 03/19/2013 8:41:59 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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