Posted on 03/18/2013 12:32:39 PM PDT by AuntB
Ever heard the claim that Latinos are "natural conservatives"? The person repeating the conventional wisdom of the Beltway apparently hasn't examined the evidence.
That's why, for Republicans, to buy that canard spells disaster. The most recent evidence comes from a new Latino Decisions poll. It shows two-thirds of Latinos support "comprehensive immigration reform" that includes special immigration privileges for foreign-born gays and lesbians.
Of those Hispanic respondents who favored giving homosexual couples the same immigration rights as traditional couples, 92 percent view it as important (very or somewhat) to make the change part of any amnesty bill in Congress.
While the Christian community has taken a stand to preserve the institution of marriage, Latinos who report being Christians don't agree with the traditional biblical view on marriage. Some 71 percent of Catholic Latinos and 53 percent of Hispanics claiming to be "born-again Christians" support gay spousal amnesty and visas, according to the poll.
The foreign-born Latinos were even more supportive of this position — 65 percent vs. 63 percent of native-born Hispanics.
Other surveys have found Latinos significantly more likely than the native-born to have single-mother households, use welfare, prefer bigger government that provides more services, and view free enterprise negatively. That doesn't sound exactly like a "movement conservative".
For liberal critics of amnesty and mass immigration this may not matter. But the Republican Party would wake up after an amnesty fling with open-borders special interests of all stripes to find they'd left them in the morning. The only thing to show for selling out their party's base is an even bigger Democratic electorate.
They are more loyal to the country they risked death to escape from than this one, I think that says a lot
“You are right. Karl Rove and the Bushes are full of caca.”
Hannity just had Rove on again...he sure won’t cross ‘turdblossom’.
50 years of evidence regarding immigration law and voting behavior is conclusive. Proposed amnesty legislation will end the two-party system at the national level. The R party will no longer have a national majority in any legislative or executive realm. That is certain. Those who state the illegal immigrant is a natural conservative are in extreme conflict with the empirical evidence.
However, I need to be honest and state my support for immigration reform—I strongly support a new immigration policy that welcomes entrepreneurs, individuals with proven track records of accomplishment, and people who have a clear understanding and attraction to the principles of freedom and responsibility that have made the US the most awe-inspiring victory over oppression, poverty, and hopelessness the world has ever seen. To accommodate this new policy, we will have to accept that not all who want to join us fit in—we will have to say “no thanks” to those who embrace socialist beliefs. That’s my reform.
Let's start a new conservative party. We can call it almost anything.
The Big Lie that keeps on giving...
Can I get an "Amen!"?
After the vote on prop 8 in CA a survey showed that while most minorities voted democratic they voted for prop 8. I don’t think that makes them natural conservatives, just socially conservative on that particular issue (mostly because of their culture), and since they had the opportunity to vote on it seperately they did. In a package deal they would have voted democratic all the way.
Oh by the way. That poll at the top of the page?
Consider the source. It’s the Huffington Post, which is even more left-wing than The Nation. Roughly the same as Daily Kos, MoveOn.org, or Talking Points Memo. Count on them to spin-doctor the results in a way that makes left-wingers comfortable and makes conservatives believe that there is no hope. Also count on them to never question the source if it provides tasty fodder for their propaganda machine.
What do you know about the polling organization?
How the heck do you know the results would be different.
OTOH, if there's no outreach, there's never going to be a crossover.
Right now and for years the Latino community has been bombarded with leftist propaganda to the point where every truth is misrepresented.
My wife and I stopped at a Latino restaurant in LA a while back and she picked up one of the local Spanish ad/newspapers.
She was pointing out and say "What the hell is this?" in Spanish at articles stating that Obama had fixed everything from the economy to "ring around the collar." It was really disgusting, but this is common in the Latino papers, there didn't appear to be any conservative incursion via any written media source.
Then there's Univision which is MSNBC with hot women. There's absolutely an outreach required. We don't have it. No mojo there.
BUT NOT A COMPROMISE OF PRINCIPLE.
The Center is governed by a diverse board of directors that has included active and retired university professors, civil rights leaders, and former government officials.
University professors are almost exclusively socialist.
Civil rights leaders are exclusively socialist.
And the former government officials serving on the board of directors are from the socialist wing of the Democratic Party. What sort of poll do you think they'd commission, AuntB?
Have you ever heard of PUSH POLLING?
You're being fooled by the left-wing echo chamber, AuntB.
One left-wing source mirrors another left-wing source and they all pretend they're impartial. But they're in the business of making left-wing readers feel comfortable, and conservative readers believe that there is no hope.
Because in 2004, George W. Bush got 44% of the Latino vote.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Oh boy. Fourty-four percent! What an accomplishment. I know. They were still waiting for him to come through on his "new America". He didn't quite succeed but Obama and the dems will finish the job for Bush.
| We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture. Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende. For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America. Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America. As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico. George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000. |
Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:
In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster Bush was/is just as bad as the other Quislings in this country.
“in 2004, George W. Bush got 44% of the Latino vote”
Actually, that’s a media talking point that is false. It was debunked on VDARE.COM by Steve Sailer, but unfortunately VDARE is banned here on Free Republic. But go to vdare.com and get on Sailer’s archive and you can find that finding and many other interesting ones.
“This poll, which you rely on so heavily, was taken IN MEXICO.”
And Mexico is the number one source of today’s immigration.
So it’s quite relevant.
Oh, good grief! What is it you have a problem with in the survey? CIS didn’t take the poll! You must be schilling for Grover Norquist/CPAC! Death by association????
And YOU are a lawyer??? You don’t even want to go there. People like you are the problem, not CIS.
I’m aware what news venue had the article..yes, they suck. Doesn’t change it.
Why don’t you just come out and say you’re for the damn amnesty instead of trying to emotionally insult me??
Don’t waste any more of my time.
There are many Caribbean Latinos here in New England and they have long had a high number of out of wedlock births and teen births. Not exactly what we think of as family values.
And those two Baptist leaders Richard Land and Pat Robertson have signed on to amnesty.
“And I pointed it out for you twice. On two separate threads.
If a poll is taken among persons of Mexican heritage living IN THE UNITED STATES, the results would be very different.
Try to remember next time. I realize you’re getting old, but the Alzheimer’s hasn’t taken over yet, has it?”
You really are a piece of work. And an ignorant one at that...all you’ve got is insults. You could work for Obama.
You go ahead posting post after post of insults...maybe you can convince the brain dead. I won’t read anything you post again! People like you are the reason we are getting stuck with Amnesty and why the GOP is a piece of crap.
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