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Police want easier peek at your Internet activities
Pocono Record ^ | March 18, 2013 | ERIC BOEHM

Posted on 03/18/2013 8:59:03 AM PDT by RBW in PA

HARRISBURG — Law enforcement officials say they should not have to go to a judge before seeking personal data about Internet users in Pennsylvania.

The state House is set to vote today on a bill that would allow law enforcement to obtain permission from a district attorney or attorney general — instead of requiring a warrant from a judge — to force Internet service providers to turn over potentially sensitive personal data about what Pennsylvanians are doing online.

Advocates for the change say law enforcement should be given easier access to the data in order to track down and arrest predators targeting children on the Internet, but there are red flags being raised by civil liberties advocates.

Andy Hoover, legislative director for the Pennsylvania ACLU, said the bill breaks down barriers between the government and our personal information — and is a recipe for law enforcement authority abuse by taking judges out of the picture.

"A judge is a neutral, third-party observer, and that role is essential in protecting our rights," Hoover said. "This bill removes the judge from the process, and that's never a good thing."

The bill, sponsored by state Rep. Rick Saccone, R-Allegheny, would allow police departments to obtain a legal document called an administrative subpoena from district attorneys to compel Internet service providers to turn over information about online users.

Such subpoenas are already used in a variety of cases, and federal law allows them to be used to obtain information from Internet service providers, but Pennsylvania law requires a warrant from a judge unless ISPs turn over information willingly.

Police support

The law enforcement crowd is lining up in support of the bill, starting at the very top.

In a letter voicing support for the bill, Attorney General Kathleen Kane pointed to the results of the 2012 Internet Crimes Against Children task force, which found nearly 30,000 IP addresses in Pennsylvania had downloaded files containing child pornography.

In the letter, Kane wrote that allowing administrative subpoenas would let law enforcement more quickly prosecute those cases.

"We can prosecute the offenders today," she wrote. "We just need the legislature to give us the tools."

Shawn Wagner, president of the Pennsylvania District Attorneys Association, said in a similar letter that the electronic information obtained by Internet service providers is vital in locating the sources of crimes like the possession of child pornography.

Requiring a court order in each case makes it impossible to slow those types of crimes, he wrote, though he also acknowledged that many Internet service providers are "extremely responsive" to law enforcements' informal requests for information as part of an investigation.

Subpeona or warrant: What's the difference?

An important factor is that administrative subpoenas are more open-ended than search warrants.

While a warrant gives law enforcement the right to search a particular person or location, a subpoena can be enforced in other jurisdictions — even beyond Pennsylvania's borders.

Law enforcement groups like the District Attorneys Association see that as a good thing. Hoover says it's a dangerous expansion of police power that violates the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable searches.

Regardless of concerns, the bill seems poised to move quickly through the legislature. It moved out of the House Judiciary Committee last week with nearly unanimous support, and is scheduled to go before the full House today.

State Rep. Madeleine Dean, D-Montgomery, cast the only dissenting vote in the committee. She said she is interested in appropriate law enforcement measures to go after online predators, but decided to vote "no" because of lingering questions about the bill.

"I worry anytime we take away court review," Dean said. "Let's make sure we craft these things carefully and do not bypass court review except in special circumstances."


TOPICS: Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: internet

1 posted on 03/18/2013 8:59:03 AM PDT by RBW in PA
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To: RBW in PA
Any time they say it's "for the children," you can be sure that it is not.
2 posted on 03/18/2013 9:02:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: RBW in PA

The first resulting lawsuit, of which there will be many, will shoot this down, if PA does try to allow such invasion of privacy.

How can they call themselves ‘law enforcement officials’ by breaking the inherent rights law?


3 posted on 03/18/2013 9:04:26 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Next stop - federal level.

We don' need no stinkin' judges.

4 posted on 03/18/2013 9:06:13 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (They say "Right Wing" but they mean "Wrong Wing"!)
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To: TomGuy
The first resulting lawsuit, of which there will be many, will shoot this down, if PA does try to allow such invasion of privacy.

They'll just come back a dog, have it bark at your router, and go on with what they want to do anyway...

5 posted on 03/18/2013 9:08:27 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: RBW in PA

“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”

Ayn Rand

quote from book Atlas Shrugged


6 posted on 03/18/2013 9:09:59 AM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: RBW in PA

They in government always use some excuse ( in this case child porn) so that they can monitor all we do on the Internet and view all our files when they want to.

any excuse or manufactured crisis or problem to give government more power and so take away our rights and freedom


7 posted on 03/18/2013 9:12:44 AM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Any time they say it's "for the children," you can be sure that it is not.

Any time the state assures us, "It's for the children," we can be absolutely sure it's for the all-knowing, all-wise, all-powerful state.

Our forefathers rebelled against the English for far less than this.

8 posted on 03/18/2013 9:51:06 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: RBW in PA
The government needs to know.... if you don't agree with them... NSA Whistleblower on Intelligence (video of Thomas Drake from NSA)
9 posted on 03/18/2013 10:10:51 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: RBW in PA

What a joke! This would be the equivalent to the ‘wiring tapping law’ being usurped so that DAs can tap at will. Judges, I believe, would not do this because they would realize that any such infringement would be challenged in court and shoot down the new law.


10 posted on 03/18/2013 10:18:55 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: RBW in PA

GOOD GRIEF! Why not just post a police officer in every home to make sure no one does anything that might be a violation of the law? This is sheer idiocy!!!!


11 posted on 03/18/2013 10:53:04 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: RBW in PA

‘administrative subpoena’ = ham sandwich


12 posted on 03/18/2013 1:28:15 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: RBW in PA
PA officials should take into consideration this ruling by a Federal judge in California regarding invasion into people's private records:

Judge Strikes Down Secretive Surveillance Law
13 posted on 03/18/2013 2:39:23 PM PDT by TomGuy
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