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How would Senate look if we repealed 17th Amendment today?
The Victory Institute ^ | Feb. 8, 2013 | Chris Carter

Posted on 02/08/2013 3:21:06 PM PST by FatMax

The Founding Fathers knew that in order to ratify a Constitution and preserve the fledgling United States, it was essential that the states have representation in the new Federal government. The legislative branch would be split; the people represented by the directly elected members of the House of Representatives, and each state represented by two officials appointed by the state legislatures. In the new system, the House would represent the people and the Senate would represent the states. Without a federalist system of divided, enumerated, and checked powers between the federal and state governments, no union would be possible - the states, wary of potentially losing their sovereignty to an all-powerful government, would back out, and the world's most free and prosperous nation would never have become a reality.

According to the Founders' vision, so long as the U.S. senator served the state's interest, the senator would remain in power. This way, the upper house could focus on their business, not encumbered by the elections of their lower house counterparts.

But in the early 20th Century, Progressives argued that the federalist arrangement in place fostered corruption and excessive special interests in the Senate. Ignoring the original intent of the Constitution and under the cover of "democracy" (we are in fact a constitutional republic, not a democracy), the federal government quickly ratified the 17th Amendment, establishing the direct election of U.S. senators. States no longer had any representation in Washington, and the amendment paved the way for even more corruption and special interest influence.

Today, we have a Senate that regularly passes legislation contrary to the interests of the states, thanks to the moral hazard introduced by the 17th Amendment. Perhaps most residents in your state opposes national healthcare, but both of your senators voted in favor. Why not? They can't be recalled at moment's notice by the state legislative branch, like they could 100 years ago. All they have to do is get enough votes from their citizens - or perhaps enough voter fraud - and they are safe for six years. Missouri may not want Obamacare and Wyoming may not want tough new gun control laws, but thanks to the 17th Amendment, the state's hands are tied.

What if the 17th Amendment was repealed?

Currently, there are 52 Democrats, 46 Republicans, and two Independents, both of whom caucus with the Democrats. But in state legislative branches there are 51% Republicans and only 46% Democrats - nearly an exact opposite of the party makeup of the U.S. Senate. And that doesn't include the non-partisan unicameral Nebraska state legislature; it isn't a stretch to suggest that a state that virtually always sends Republicans to Washington would somehow depart from the trend.

Below is a map displaying the party makeup of the 50 states and how they are represented in the U.S. Senate. The varying shades of red and blue signify the % of majority control, either Republican (red), or Democrat (blue). Click here or on the image to see the full-size version.

Current makeup of U.S. Senate

Now, another map - this time red represents a Republican delegation, blue Democrat (or Democrat/Independent as both Independent senators caucus with the Democrats), and purple for a split D/R delegation. Click here or on the image to see the full-size version.

Current makeup of U.S. Senate

It is likely in a state like Hawaii - with over 90% Democrat majority control of the state houses - would have two Democrat U.S. senators. But few states have such a strong majority control. If the 17th Amendment were to be magically repealed today, returning selection to the states, it is highly probable that states would appoint senators according to party makeup of the state legislatures. A state with more Democrats would be more likely to appoint more Democrats and vise-versa. A state that was more balanced would be forced to compromise and would be more likely to have a split delegation. It is unlikely that South Dakota, a state whose voters elected nearly 80% Republicans, would only appoint one Republican senator. And it is also unlikely that a state like Michigan, where nearly two out of every three state legislators are Republican, would somehow appoint both senators from the minority party.

My theory is that if the 17th Amendment were repealed, states with 67% majority control of the state legislature or more would likely appoint two senators from the majority party, and states with less than 67% majority control would have insufficient leverage and be forced to moderate, nominating one member from each party. Non-partisan Nebraska, with all Republican officials, will stay Republican in this experiment, and both Independent senators are not a factor since they already caucus with the Democrats anyways.

Below is my proposed results, considering the makeup of the U.S. Senate and all 50 state legislatures in January 2013. Click here or on the image to see the full-size version.

Proposed makeup of U.S. Senate

According to the hypothesis, Republicans would gain an astonishing 12 seats from Democrats, a strong majority at 58 versus the Democrats' 40. There are many factors that are not accounted for in this study, such as voter fraud, the varying platform and history of each politician, media coverage, etc. But regardless of the varying and impossible-to-predict factors in a system with millions of voters, the overall premise remains: that the stronger majority control a state legislature has, the more likely it is that the state will appoint a member of the majority party. Even if only half of the seats predicted actually change hands, the Republicans would still gain control of the Senate - 52 seats to the Democrats' 46.

Corruption must be checked and the Senate should do the bidding of the state - not the special interests. But a constitutional republic is a rule of laws, not a rule of men, as is a democracy. The Founding Fathers - who had a far greater intelligence than today's politician - dedicated one half of the legislative branch to the states for good reason. By repealing the 17th Amendment, we would restore the federalist system that kept Americans free and prosperous.

Chris Carter
Director, The Victory Institute


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: 17thamendment; constitution
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To: Political Junkie Too; FatMax; BillyBoy; Impy; AuH2ORepublican

I’m gonna jump past all of this and suggest rather than continually argue over this subject, which stands next to no chance of ever occurring (thank heavens), that we consider what we can do at present within the current system to elevate the quality of individuals occupying the Senate at present.

What do I mean ? I mean doing something about the primary process themselves. Perhaps where we draft candidates to run as opposed to necessarily allowing them to openly declare. I’ve floated this for the Presidency, since we’ve seen the quality of candidates degrade to clown show proportions (McCain and Willard). Have pre-conventions of committed Conservatives draft individuals (a vetting process), proceed to a vote and whittle it down to two individuals (and prevent having a scenario by which the most liberal wins by being nominated by plurality). Proceed from there to a CLOSED primary (no chicanery of the opposition party picking our nominees) and on to the general election. It’s a similar method used in Utah (which was able to weed out ex-Sen. Robert Bennett).

I think this would go a long way into improving the quality of our elected officials and holding them personally accountable, and most importantly, is a far more viable option at present that can be implemented.


141 posted on 02/09/2013 9:23:14 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Why are you too timid to write a stand alone vanity on the beauty of the 17th? I gave you a great title to start with.

C’mon bigmouth. Educate all of Freeperdom with your wisdom.

142 posted on 02/10/2013 1:30:10 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Political Junkie Too; FatMax; BillyBoy; Impy

The problem with such state conventions is that Paulistinians are quite adept at hijacking them. Not only did the do that with Ron Paul’s presidential campaign (where Paul would get 10% in the caucuses but then end up with a majority of delegates because Paultards would pretend to be Romney or Santorum delegates and then vote for Paul), but when the Paulistinians took over the Minnesota GOP state convention they got some Paultard state legislator nominated to the U.S. Senate over a young military veteran who was a solid conservative and actually could have won the general (which resulted in Democrat Klobuchar winning by over 30%). If Paultards controlled the Utah concention, not only would a moderate-to-conservative establishment hack like Bob Bennett not make it to the primary, a grassroots, constitutional conservative like Mike Lee would also be left off, with two Paulbots making the primary ballot.

So closed primaries, yes, absolutely—I actually believe that it is a violation of the First Amendment (Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Association) for states to dictate to citizens who form political parties that they must alliw no -members to participate in the decision to nominate standardbearers of such party. But we must be very careful before adopting a system in which a smaller group gets to decide who can be a candidate in a Republican primary.


143 posted on 02/10/2013 6:25:56 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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