Posted on 12/30/2012 4:00:49 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Edited on 12/30/2012 9:52:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
President Obama on Sunday said he would make gun control a priority in his new term, pledging to put his "full weight" behind passing new restrictions on firearms in 2013.
"I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it," Obama said in an interview aired on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again."
Read more here: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013
And no, E-6 was my last rank when I served. You can call me Sergeant. Or mister.
You read incorrectly. I own this land and house free and clear. My kids are grown and gone (both having served in the military). I live alone.
I almost rolled craps back in Dec 2009, but the bastards managed to save me, so death doesn't hold any fears for me. I've had a preview.
If you want your beloved (by you) party to win votes, run a conservative, and shut up the conservative bashers like Rove.
And quit griping about your liberal losing.
/johnny
I've prepared for whatever may happen so I will be okay but accepting the near death, or death, of the country has been a sad realization.
Ah, but there will be no more free Wacos, that is what’s changed. This has been building for quite longer than the past four years. There was plenty of tension in the 1990’s after certain events, and the White House had several brain storming sessions on the realities of rash behavior.
Whether you believe it or not, at the first slaughter of innocents protecting their unalienable rights, there will be just war cause. It doesn’t matter if millions of Americans stand by and watch in fear or stoicism. There will be a minority who will act. And they are everywhere. In the police at all levels, military, and in government agencies. Why do you think ATF snitches were talking to militia and not other law enforcement or hack media? This is how Fast and Furious broke.
While people make skidmarks in their pants worried about how the big behemoth government is making lists and data mining with their many watch programs (yet couldn’t piece together Phoenix memo prior to 9/11), the entire blogosphere, commenting forums are full of rants, some overt threats that in my view are overwhelming to handle. The government doesn’t have the resources to track all these people down. On facebook alone, when IN supreme court ruled police can not be stopped even doing an illegal entry, and a county police chief was talking about house to house searches, the language got hot by the thousands, and these people are posting as themselves! In addition, there is a flip side to the internet and it’s open source intel on nationally known figures, like ones who hate the Constitution for example. In detail.
I’m not discounting the use of drones or united operation using all resources for a specific target. Usually after the fact. But let’s look at martial law situation. There’s simply not enough police or military to clamp the country down, it’s already been war gamed online. They would need to bring in foreign troops. And the numbers of guns and gun owners in the country has gone up, particularly among women.
Effective resistance is individuals with no command structure acting independently — guerrilla warfare, being the “grey man”, deception, creating shock, fear, and demoralizing the enemy. News flash at 9: “Billy Bob is apparently missing... they were last seen...administration officials have no comment...” Now you see ‘em, now you don’t. Might give some people pause don’t you think?
I believe you are right.
America’s middle class is too comfortable. They will not risk what they have, to preserve their freedom. And for sure they will not risk what they have to protect their neighbor’s freedom, as most don’t even know their neighbor’s name.
Just finished watching the documentary you noted in your tagline.
Many of the opinions expressed, the observations, evoked the words my Papa often spoke to me regarding our country, the world, and the people in power...
Thank you for sharing the link! I have posted it to my FB. (Either folks will watch it or they’ll un-friend me!! HaHa - that’s been happening a lot lately.)
It will also be our military who give their oath to uphold the constitution. They will not be on the side of Tyranny.
““individual resistance” is going to become a very futile act — the equivalent of monks resorting to self-immolation.”
You couldn’t be more wrong. The monks brought down the Diem government very quickly. And do you know what started the Arab Spring, a vegetable stand owner driven out of business by new regulations self-immolated.
As for individual action, thats the best of all. It’s what keeps the totalitarians awake at night. You can infiltrate and roll up organizations. But leaderless resistance is extremely hard to fight.
ANd remember, it was invented here, for use after a communinst takeover. Interesting.
The Bonus army was unarmed and never thought their government would attack them in such a fashion.
It is of not though that our own army of Americans did attack them and drive them out.As ordered.
Where did this police Lt. call in to ?
DesertRhino wrote:
“As for individual action, thats the best of all.”
and TheBigJ wrote:
“Ah, but there will be no more free Wacos, that is what’s changed…”
How do you explain the absence of resistance in the door-to-door “gun grab” that went on in New Orleans in the wake of hurricane Katrina? This is a real scenario, vis-a-vis the huffin’ ‘n’ puffin’ I’ve been reading about in this forum. How many gun owners successfully resisted confiscation?
In New Orleans, it was just local police that did the confiscation, is that correct?
Next time, it WON’T be the “locals”. It will be highly-trained units skilled in confiscation and the detection of hidden arms. What will change to make the results different when that day comes?
My earlier predictions stand. If there is an attempt at confiscation, I expect individual resistance, but that alone will not be enough in itself to effectively stop such confiscations, nor will it force an increasingly totalitarian regime to reconsider its tactics. Even the most vocal “resistors” will, as the confrontation looms, think of their families and their own futures. It’s just human nature to do so.
What WILL mount an effective “front” against the DC feds will be the resistance by one or more state governments, under the direction of the governors, supported by the National Guard and state police (and lower police departments) of such states. When the officers of the “gun units” are forced to confront officers of comparable training on the other side, representing a legitimate civilian government, THAT may make the forces of confrontation consider whether their actions are worth continuing...
“The line will likely run north to south, near Harrisburg, PA, I’d guess.”
NO! Let the new “border” be the northern PA border. Draw the “line” to lop off southeastern PA, including Philadelphia. North/central PA is quite conservative — not to be “thrown to the wolves”...
You can take your hardcore lib comment and stuff it. The hardcore lib comment is a misstatement of fact, is fatually inaccurate, simple minded and ludicrous. I swore an oath and spent a career promising to uphold and defend the Constitution and I still hold to that oath.
You, on the other hand, hold on to a conflict and mythical ideal that was ended almost 150 years ago. A democrat party myth at that. I’m tired of the stupid “lost cause” comments that come up every time this type of topic comes up.
Are you a supporter of the Constitution and the Republic or would you let a long lost democrat inspired attempt to dissolve the union get in the way of restoring the Constitution and Republic? In 1860 the democrat party wanted to read the Constitution in such a way that they could retain slavery “The Cause”. Now the same party of slavery wants to throw out the Constitution to hold all productive citizens as tax slaves and slaves to a socialist system that serves them and their no-work supporters.
Which is it? Are you a supporter of the Constitutional principles or are you a supporter of the party of slavery principles which are the same now as then.
How about twix Valley Forge and Phily ?
it is not north vs south. that is long over and settled.
this is political insider city dweller vs everyone else.
Eventually you will see 70’s style city ID requirements to be IN a city. Think medieval walled cities.
cities produce nothing, contibute nothing.
To the extreme cities will eventually become prisons ala “escape from NY” or “escapre from LA”
we need more FIRST TIME buyers.
The more individuals who have “something” out there, the better for the first amendment.
It will be like trying to outlaw shoes.
Sorry, but I think you are wrong or at least incomplete on many of your historical assertions. I support all the amendments to the constitution. It seems you are willing to overlook the 10th amendment just as many large government liberals do today. I won’t tell you to stuff it, but I will say have a happy and safe New Year.
My take on New Orleans is that it was used as a training exercise under the ICS (FEMA's incident command system) structure. It wasn't a city-wide gun-grab; there were many people in areas of the city that *didn't* flood who sat on their front porches with rifles and shotguns across their laps. Nobody messed with them.
In New Orleans, it was just local police that did the confiscation, is that correct?
No, it was a combination of NOPD and other law-enforcement volunteers from around the country, sometimes accompanied by national guardsmen.
Next time, it WON’T be the “locals”. It will be highly-trained units skilled in confiscation and the detection of hidden arms. What will change to make the results different when that day comes?
New Orleans is a relatively small and geographically isolated city (look at the surrounding bodies of water on Google Earth). Look at the level of effort needed to go after the guns of a small fraction of that city's population, then explain how they'll manage a much larger plan on a state-wide or larger scale.
I don't think they have enough people to accomplish the task. And since you mentioned the Katrina scenario, let's not forget those NOPD officers who chose not to report, or acted against orders and bugged-out.
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