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CAIR-Michigan Goes After the U.S. Constitution
radicalislam.org ^ | 13DEC12 | Clare M. Lopez

Posted on 12/13/2012 2:30:11 PM PST by bayouranger

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1 posted on 12/13/2012 2:30:22 PM PST by bayouranger
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Lets hope Rick Snyder is fully finished trying to deal with deal breakers.

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2 posted on 12/13/2012 2:33:41 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: bayouranger

If we have elements of Sharia Law already going on in Michigan. Why cannot we just add that all muslims must move out of Michigan? Dearborn is the capitol home of the Muslim population in Michigan. If the Muslims insist on Sharia. Than I must insist that the Amish laws be installed immediately, Also all the Laws of Judaism and the 640 laws of the Pharisees be installed too. Islam is a false religion rooted in Satanism.


3 posted on 12/13/2012 2:42:10 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: bayouranger

Guess they’ve never played cowboys and muslims yet ....


4 posted on 12/13/2012 2:44:08 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: hondact200
Islam is a false religion rooted in Satanism.

If you look at the Hebrew in Genesis 16 you will note that the angel says "I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude." Hagar worships the angel and calls him the name of the Lord, yud-hay-vav-hay. Effectively, she names the messenger as G_d Himself and the angel does not correct her as the angel of Revelation 22:8-9 did with John. There is only one angel who would fail to do that: Lucifer himself.

5 posted on 12/13/2012 3:03:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: bayouranger
Why in hell is this "group" still allowed any voice in the USA, let alone still IN the USA?

FMCDH(BITS)

6 posted on 12/13/2012 3:21:58 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: bayouranger

Who gives a damn what CAIR does or thinks. Communists, the whole damn organization.


7 posted on 12/13/2012 3:50:28 PM PST by Logical me
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To: bayouranger; All
Based on his experience as VP and president of the Senate, Constitution expert Thomas Jefferson had officially written in Senate Parliamentary Manual that Congress cannot use the Senate's power to negotiate treaties as a back door to force USA citizens to comply with foreign laws based on powers which the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution.
"In giving to the President and Senate a power to make treaties, the Constitution meant only to authorize them to carry into effect, by way of treaty, any powers they might constitutionally exercise." --Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793.

"Surely the President and Senate cannot do by treaty what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way." --Thomas Jefferson: Parliamentary Manual, 1812.

More specifically, if the Senate needs a specific power in order to negotiate a treaty which the states have never delegated to Congress via the Constitution, Article V requires the Senate to work with HoR to propose an appropriate amendment to the Constitution to the states. And if the states choose to ratify the proposed amendment, then Congress will have the specific power that it needs to negotiote the treaty.

Thats the way it's supposed to work anyway.

Sadly, Congress managed to snow the Supreme Court to use this back door when the Court decided Missouri v. Holland.

Missouri v. Holland

Also, despite PC interpretations of the Supremacy Clause, Clause 2 of Article VI, note that this clause only works when the states have delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to address a given issue.

Otherwise, the Founding States made the 10th Amendment to clarify that the Constitution's silence on any issue, healthcare, retirement, public schools, the environment, etc., is to be interpreted as meaning that the states have automatically reserved such powers uniquely to themselves.

Again, that's the way that it's supposed to work.

8 posted on 12/13/2012 5:36:55 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Logical me

We’d better give a damn about what CAIR does or thinks. They are an Islamic spearpoint operating in the heart of America. In other words, they are the enemy of our way of life so we’d bettern know what they think and are doing so that we can better fight and defeat their “Islamic subversion” efforts.

Interestingly, many of the visibile voices of CAIR on the national level are white Americans who have converted to Islam, which makes them even more fanatical and dedicated to the promotion, advancement, and final victory of Islamic culture, religion, jihadism, and mindset in America.

They are the most direct threat to our Judaeo-Christian ethic, culture,way of life and political foundations of this country.

They are relentless, extremely well funded, staffed, and supported from within and without. In other words, they are dedicated subversives who try to paint themselves as only looking out for discrimination against Moslems in the US (but their definition is all encompassing so that anything you say or do to criticize, stop, or even comment on the Islamic religion/culture is considered a direct attack upon them and thus subject to their counterattacks).

This is war, only too many of our people either don’t recognize it, want to appease the Islamists, or are to stupid to understand that our whole way of life is under attack from them, aided and abetted, knowingly, by the Liberals and Leftists/Communists/Marxists/Obamists.

That is why we must give “a damn what CAIR does or thinks.


9 posted on 12/13/2012 5:41:10 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: bayouranger

anti-Islam = pro-Freedom


10 posted on 12/13/2012 5:41:10 PM PST by matt04
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To: hondact200

ping


11 posted on 12/13/2012 5:43:59 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: Carry_Okie
worships the angel and calls him the name of the Lord, yud-hay-vav-hay

13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.” 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi[d]; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.

Interesting, could you explain? Where did you find the origin of the name of God she uses? Above is the NIV version of the Genesis 16 verses you spoke of.

12 posted on 12/13/2012 5:58:26 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

You are absolutely right! Do we sit back and become like Europe or do we stop it now???


13 posted on 12/13/2012 6:55:30 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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Where did you find the origin of the name of God she uses?

יהוה is the usual Hebrew for the name of the Lord (what some pronounce as "Jehovah," although the Jewish people hold that that correct pronunciation is unknown and is therefore best left unsaid). The verse I cited employs that form, one of the most ubiquitous words on any Hebrew Torah scroll. Scripture4all.org has a program, the Interlinear Scriptural Analyzer that I use frequently (a free download) for the Concordant Literal Hebrew English Sublinear translation, along with the blueletterbible.org lexicon reference by Strong's number for each root.

Having written a book about the amazing attributes of a single particular Biblical translation error, I have zero confidence in the NIV. 1 Samuel 15:24 and all that.

14 posted on 12/13/2012 8:56:04 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: bayouranger

If people really want to live under Sharia law, they should pack up and MOVE to countries that are under their law of choice. To come to America and think they can uproot our very Constitution is just as crazy as an American moving to Pakistan and expecting to have the same freedoms he enjoyed in America. Would Pakistan change its constitution for American Christians? Don’t think so!


15 posted on 12/13/2012 10:07:25 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: nothingnew
Why in hell is this "group" still allowed any voice in the USA, let alone still IN the USA?

Friends of Barack.

16 posted on 12/13/2012 10:09:52 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: nothingnew
Why in hell is this "group" still allowed any voice in the USA, let alone still IN the USA?

FOB - Friends of Barack

17 posted on 12/13/2012 10:56:13 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Is this the same angel that inspired mohammad with revelations?


18 posted on 12/14/2012 5:31:24 AM PST by existentially_kuffer
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To: bayouranger

Figures! Muslims are not bound by man-made laws but allah’s. The koranic answer lies in surah 5, ayat 51. For muslims only islam trumps the Constitution.


19 posted on 12/14/2012 5:31:34 AM PST by existentially_kuffer
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To: cripplecreek

Essentially, muslims are commanded not to be ruled by non-believers! Hense the preceived religious persecution and not being being able to practice their religion in freedom. Sadly american is blinded by islam’s intolerance & its hatred for non-believer. Are we to tolerate the intolerant?


20 posted on 12/14/2012 5:32:32 AM PST by SIRTRIS
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