Clinton calls on Israel to embrace moderate Palestinians, negotiations

Ha’aretz (sub) ^ | 04:46 01.12.12 (Dec. 1) | Natasha Mozgovaya

[Olog-hai]

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned on Friday that without progress toward peace, Israel will be forced to choose between “preserving democracy and the Jewish identity of the state.” ‫

Speaking at the Saban Forum 2012 at the Willard InterContinental in Washington D.C., Clinton rejected Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s pessimism concerning the Palestinian Authority's capability of governing its territory and bring about a lasting peace.

“With very little money, and no natural resources, they have accomplished quite a bit, building a security force that works every single day with the IDF (Israel Defense Forces). They have entrepreneurial successes. They are nationalistic—but largely secular. Israel should support them.”

“Some Israelis claim [Palestinian President Mahmoud] Abbas is not a partner for peace,” Clinton continued, “Well, I think that should be tested.” …

[Olog-hai]

This is the great brain that trusted the Egyptians and Libyans so much. Yeah, keep putting the jihadists to the test and all you will prove is Einstein’s maxim (attributed) on the definition of madness. Another bunch that are anything but secular gets labeled as “largely secular” . . . this has to be pure madness indeed.

[MasterGunner01]

What “moderate” Palestinians? The ones that keep firing rockets into Israeli territory from Gaza and the West Bank? Of course this comes the notorious antisemitic Hillary Rodham Clinton who has actually met one “moderate” Palestinian. The others? Not so much.

[faithhopecharity]

For God’s sake what BS!, wasn’t ol’ Hillary going to retire after Hussein’s re-election!????????????????????

[Vendome]

I’ll embrace them with 56 pounds of quick pressure snapping their neck to the left or I can embrace them tightly as I shive their liver and right kidney 20 or 30 times.....

Just me, you mileage may vary...

[Olog-hai]

After he’s sworn in was the last mention of when Hillary is to resign as SoS, IIRC. Seems like it’s not soon enough, some days.

[onyx]

GTH, Hillary Benghazi Rodham Clinton.

[Venturer]

The only thing that will satisfy the Palestinians is the complete and utter destruction of Israel.Even that will not bring peace as these sand Muslims will then start fighting each other.

They are a plague on the planet.

[Jmouse007]

We have a winnah, give that man a Cupie Doll!

You my friend have more insight and undertanding of the situation in the Middle East than Hitlery and the entire Obamessiah "administration" and "state department" put together. EVERYTHING you stated is a fact and the exact REALITY of the situation. It is unfortunate that our own government has chosen to be on the side of all of our enemies in the Middle East (and elsewhere throughout the world) and has chosen to throw Israel, our only true friend, and democratic government in the entire region "under the Obamessiah bus". Tagline

[LibLieSlayer]

Embrace a 4800 volt transmission line biotch!

LLS

[MinuteGal]

"Obama sez; 'Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinians'."

There's an email floating around the ether somewhere that I saw a couple weeks ago. It contained a goodly number of photographs taken in Gaza. The photos blow your mind.

Folks think of Gaza and its inhabitants as some kind of desert enclave, its communities loaded with tightly-packed, slumlike labyrinths of clay....its residents impoverished, starving dogs roaming the streets, underfed babies in their mothers' arms, arid encampements a hair above concentration camps, teeming with the poor and desperate.

The photos in the email I saw show an entirely different Gaza strip. Modern cities, skyscrapers, active night life under glittering neon, gorgeous, lush beaches and parks loaded with families of all classes, modern infrastructure, etc. Although areas of tribal existence also are contained within the Palestinian borders, the actual state taken in its totality is 180 degrees different from the vision of Gaza we have been led to believe exists.

If anyone has these photos, I hope they can be posted here. It will be one of the biggest eye-openers ever to appear on this board.....I guarantee it.

Leni

[GOPJ]

Well, Hillary Clinton WAS right about the Arab Spring - it did bring Peace and Democracy to the Arab world... and love and light. She’s probably right about this too.../s

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Olog-hai.

"With very little money, and no natural resources, they have accomplished quite a bit, building a security force that works every single day with the IDF (Israel Defense Forces). They have entrepreneurial successes. They are nationalistic -- but largely secular. Israel should support them. Some Israelis claim [Palestinian President Mahmoud] Abbas is not a partner for peace,” Clinton continued, “Well, I think that should be tested."

IOW, Hillary's either a complete asshole, or she's the enemy of Israel.

• White House: No Plans to Withdraw Palestinian Aid After U.N. Vote
• Hamas Reminder: Our Goal is Israel's Destruction
• Hamas: Killing Jews is worship of Allah (...latest anti-Semitic statement: 'This is Quranic Islam')
• White House opposed new Iran sanctions
• White House opposes new Israeli settlement construction
• White House: Israeli settlement plan 'counterproductive'
• Clinton blasts 'unfortunate and counterproductive' U.N. Palestinian resolution
• US sets deadline for Iran to cooperate with IAEA [or else a strongly worded letter]
• Rand Paul to Visit Israel Next Month

[ScaniaBoy]

Leni,

I read your post yesterday, but I hadn't time to answer then. Thus, my late reply. I don't know which blog (I bet it wasn't a MSM outlet that showed those photos) you read but both Carl in Jerusalem on the blog Israelmatzav and the blogger Elder of Ziyon have posted masses of photos thar give lie to the pevailing story of "Concentration Camp Gaza".

Below I post a few photos I found on IsraelMatzav with my comments. Good if people help to spread'em.

CiJ writes: A Palestinian smiles as he returns to Gaza with his new motorcycle, bought in Egypt, at the border between Egypt and Gaza, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, Friday, Jan. 25, 2008.

This is the same Gaza that just opened a sparkling new shopping mall that would not look out of place in any capital in Europe.

And an Olympic-sized swimming pool.

CiJ: Markets brimming with all manner of foods dot the landscape of Gaza, where Lauren Booth [Tony Blair's sister-in-law], journalist and "human rights activist," was pictured buying chocolate and luxurious items from a well-stocked supermarket before stating with a straight face that the "situation in Gaza is a humanitarian crisis on the scale of Darfur."

I must have missed it, but I never saw photos like this from Dafur. CiJ: "Two luxury hotels are opening in Gaza this month. Thousands of new cars are plying the roads. A second shopping mall — with escalators imported from Israel — will open next month. Hundreds of homes and two dozen schools are about to go up. A Hamas-run farm where Jewish settlements once stood is producing enough fruit that Israeli imports are tapering off."

Palestinians in Gaza invest $20m. in new resorts

Picture from Gaza's only Spa.

And a comment that must not be missed: "We have the highest quality services in the region," says Mohammed Faris, who launched the spa with his British wife in 1999.

"We had one customer, a woman who worked as an EU (European Union) advisor. She went to New York and called me from there and said she missed Rosy"

And before the spa, why not enjoy some riding: Poor, starving Gazan 'Palestinians' ride horses

But enough with frivolities when culture abounds: The Islamic Universiy at Gaza.

...and public libraries. (I wonder if Harry Potter is allowed? Maybe it is only prescient Sarah Palin who bans the wizard - years before it was written....)

There are more, much more, but let me finish with a couple of links and pictures from another blog:

The Aldeira Hotel, Gaza

The Hotel exterior

The lobby

The restaurant

The lobby of Grand Palace Hotel, Gaza

Carl in Jerusalem writes on one of his posts "the truth is that there are only two places in the Middle East where 'Palestinians' are better off than they are in Gaza. One is Judea and Samaria, which has one of the fastest growing economies in the World. The place in the Middle East where 'Palestinians' are treated best? You guessed it: Israel. Their treatment in Arab countries is far worse - even than Gaza."

That may well be true, but just like the other Arab ruled countries Gaza is a third world hell hole, with a ruling elite that manages to (mis)appropriate all wordly goods, and a large part of the people poor and destitute. However, in the WB and possibly also Gaza the (non-existing according to liberal economists!?) trickle-down effect helps to create a middle-class whose standard of living is improving. All good and well, but whether you belong to the "fat cats" in Arafat's (now Abbas's) entourage or the Hamas, this development may not go too far. To remain in power these elites need masses of angry young men, born in poverty and raised up to relative wealth by the guns and bombs provided by the leaders of the terror organizations.

But this relative wealth in Gaza, is it unkown to the journalists and other commentators? Well, where do you think they stay when visiting Gaza?

Sometimes they even write about it, but of course in the end it is always Israel's fault.

In fact these intrepid reporters are no better than the foreign journalists in Africa portrayed by the English novelist Evelyn Waugh in such comic masterpieces as Black Mischief and Scoop. Staying (and drinking) in luxury hotels and only now and then doing some slumming to get the local colour. News were mostly gathered from gossiping barbers or bartenders (a well informed source).

And what about the "aid" workers and the foreign dignitaries descending on the Middle East in some peace making forray? Well, the question of the aid workers was answered above. You don't find Spa's in Dafur or the Sahel. And of course only the best would be good enough for our globe-trotting diplomats.

I don't remember where such hypocrits were thought to end-up in Dante's Hell, but would they really deserve anything but the worst punishments?

[GeronL]

moderate Palestinians?

lol..

again, how do you parody these people??

[windsorknot]

She’s 0bama’s beotch now, working for the rapper, 3AM.

[Olog-hai]

Yes, any organized Islamic terrorists magically become “moderate” to the viewpoint of this administration. I guess Captain Obvious has lost his superpowers, because he’s overdue for beating the liberal media over their collective heads with this painfully-too-evident truth . . .

[MinuteGal]

Yes, indeedy....these are the photos I saw.

Really blow one's mind, don't they?

Obama wants us to have a picture of the Gaza inhabitants as being the poorest of the poor, downtrodden, persecuted by the Israelis, living in tent cities and eating sand.

The media goes along with his Big Lie, never depicting the area as it really is.

Thanks for your work in posting The Truth!

Leni

[MinuteGal]

Freepers, there are MUST-SEE photos on the above post by ScaniaBoy.....especially if you are under the impression that the Gaza strip is a desert-type hell-hole, arid, backwards, teeming with poverty-stricken inhabitants, the Detroit of the Middle East.

Well, take a gander at Scania's photos and prepare for shock and awe.

Bump this thread for educational purposes!

Leni

[SJackson]

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Well, I guess embracing a moderate palestinian (of the opposie sex) might be better than embracing a Hillary (of the opposite sex), but I'm not sure there's any reason to embrace anyone. Moderates, they're looking over their sholders these days.