Posted on 11/24/2012 1:04:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
CINCINNATI — One of Cincinnati’s largest employers fired approximately 150 employees Wednesday for failing to get a required flu shot.
TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots. Employees had a month to get the flu shot. The deadline was Nov. 16. Employees who did not get the shot were terminated Wednesday, a company spokesperson said...
(Excerpt) Read more at wlwt.com ...
“You and I have a choice wrt flu shot (or any other) this year. In ‘14 that changes.”
Different issue
If antivirals had seen the same success as antibiotics, this would be a different picture.
And as of yet there still is no common-cold vaccine.
Of course, we all know that a “medical professional” and/or “government” would never steer us wrong! (The Normalcy Bias tells us this each and every day!)
Shot? Back in the 50's, probably...not voluntary; parents made me do it.
Pill? Voluntarily...supplements like d3...
Chicken? It wasn't mandated, but to be sure; I had it basted in hot sauce that most of the people on this forum would be ill-advised to consume...guaran-damn-teed to kill anything in there that survived the cooking process. :-)
This story is about voluntary shots as well.
Food poisoning gets a lot of people as well. Eating chicken is more dangerous than that shot.
I’ve been to Africa. You can’t compare the condition of a 3rd world village with mud huts, raw sewage in the streets and contaminated water and malnourished kids sleeping on dirt floors to average American suburbia. After the invention of antibiotics, water trap toilets, septic systems and municipal water supplies the measles death rate in this country plummeted. Strangely, the data the CDC (and our ex pediatrician) used for measles deaths was in an african village in west africa.
Wild type measles, in our current social state, scares me a whole lot LESS than a bioengineered measles virus (easy to do with about $10K of supplies and a college lab somewhere) that we’d *all* be susceptible to. And yet, it would be at LEAST six months before there was a vaccine for the ‘new and improved’ measles virus. Countless deaths and disruption from such a scenario. Because we’d rather vaccinate than learn to treat. If most *healthy* kids got measles and we were able to *treat* those who had problems we’d BE healthier and have MORE money to spend on things we can NOT vaccinate out of existence.
Several studies point to a link between a girl having mumps PRIOR to puberty as being PROTECTIVE AGAINST having ovarian cancer later in life. The vaccine? Not so much. What’s wrong with insisting all kids GET the mumps. If they haven’t had it or a positive titer by puberty THEN get the vaccine.
Instead of chasing non pandemic diseases and spending billions of dollars on questionable vaccine mandates (universal hep b for neonates including those not at risk? really? that’s a billion dollars a year set on fire in the back yard! 90% of those kids have completely lost their immunity by puberty. When they DO have a higher risk of contracting hepb) why not spend that money looking for ways to *ameliorate* the bad side effects of viruses that really DO cause problems. And still do.
Like pertussis. Which has mutated from the wild type used in the vaccine to a new kind that has 10 TIMES the mortality and morbidity of the old version. Not happy with just mutating antigenic proteins, it’s also mutating the virulence portion as well.
Oh, did you catch the ‘mutate’ part? You can get a TDaP every single week of your life and STILL not have immunity to the ‘new and improved’ pertussis. Lovely that. Very little testing of all the recent pertussis outbreaks have been genomic in nature. And *most* of the kids have been immunized. Most of those completely.
‘vaccine escape mutants’ is an interesting pubmed search. If you’re a geek.
Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary - Excipients Included in U.S. ...
They also include bits of whatever culture they were grown in (yeast, eggs, dead babies) because you can't entirely remove them via any purification process. Also the live virus versions contain whatever microbes the culture it was grown in might contain. Look up 'SV40 and polio vaccine'. Also 'Pig Wasting Virus' and rotavirus vaccine'. Probably more we haven't identified yet.
What I see in the link are the components of cell culture and microbial culture. I will repeat what is at the top of the table:
This table includes not only vaccine ingredients (e.g., adjuvants and preservatives), but also substances used during the manufacturing process, including vaccine-production media, that are removed from the final product and present only in trace quantities.
In addition to the substances listed, most vaccines contain Sodium Chloride (table salt).
FYI, the fetal cells mentioned were WI-38 and MRC-5. That doesn't mean that the vaccine contains those cells, but that the virus was grown in them. Most vaccines are produced by more than one manufacturer. If it disturbs you to be vaccinated with a vaccine grown in cells from a murdered baby, you can tell your doctor that you want a vaccine from a different manufacturer (you have to do a bit of research, probably, so that you have an acceptable alternate vaccine to propose). You can also write to the manufacturer to express your displeasure at being offered a vaccine grown in murdered baby cells. As a scientist, I am very well aware that there is no scientific reason to select fetal cells for vaccine growth; there are thousands of other cells to choose from. The Vero cells mentioned in that table are monkey cells.
More on topic, the influenza vaccines are grown in chicken eggs. That *does* mean that one or more chicken embryos die for every dose of flu vaccine. It's unfortunate, but most people would agree that human life is worth more than chicken life. I should mention that recent studies have shown that the influenza vaccine does not cause allergic reactions in people who are allergic to eggs.
Years later, I had to have a Tetanus shot, became ill, arm swelled was red and hot and was told never to have another Tetanus shot.
If it wasn't for that, I would take the flu shot because I am old and to protect myself during flu season, I stay away from crowds, move away from anyone I see sneeze or cough, stay at home as much as possible, and if I have to go out, I wash my hands thoroughly when I get home and also carry antiseptic sheets in packets to use while I'm out if I have to touch anything I suspect could be covered with harmful bacteria.
I don't wear a tin foil hat about this but I cannot take those kinds of shots without my arm almost falling off and my having fever and chills. No doctor wants me to take those shots.
I also said I am deathly allergic to iodine - I have a permanent deep scar from a doctor checking me for iodine sensitivity with a shot just under my skin - my skin rotted off down through all three layers of skin and that hole had to heal from the bottom up - I will not have IVP dye for an MRI or CAT scan with iodine. Shrimp, crab, clams, puts me in bed for three days with red skin, chills, nausea to the max.
So, I'm not just using some flimsy excuse to avoid a needle containing flu vaccine. For years, I gave myself shots in my leg for severe allergies so I'm not afraid of needles at all.
All that said, I hope so much I do not get the flu this winter and will make every effort I can to protect myself. At 80 yrs. old, I don't want flu.
I have probably had the flu 12 times, it never left me with pneumonia. I have had pneumonia once, it did not start as a head cold or the flu. I had jury duty and I remember people all around me were coughing, deep coughs. In about 5 days I was sicker than I have ever been in my life. My husband was out of town so I took a taxi to the doctors office and back. For me that is sick! The antibiotics worked quickly so I didn’t have to be hospitalized but the doctor was checking on me daily.
So you are upset about the record keeping?
I am ‘upset’ with the apparent collusion, secrecy and SCAMMINESS of the whole affair.
Look up ‘Julie Gerberding’ She was the head of the CDC that made the 36000 announcement and implemented the universal flu shot ‘suggestion’. Flu shots generate between 2 and 3 BILLION a year in revenue. She’s NOW head of Merck’s vaccine division. Coincidence. I’m sure.
It’s nice when your ‘friends’ at the regulatory agencies can ‘suggest’ or ‘mandate’ even your product (which just happens to be indemnified) and help the bottom line. Even better when no one apparently cares whether or not the suggestion had any scientific basis or not...
To name a few: that you can get MS from the flu shot; that the flu shot causes the flu; that vaccines are toxic compounds; that you can avoid pathogens by taking high doses of vitamin D; that a healthy diet and exercise will prevent you from getting an infectious disease. There are others, but that's what I remember off the top of my head.
If only that were true. In fact, there is no way to completely get rid of the culture media when processing the vaccine. It's an accepted part of the manufacturing process. In fact, the exact amount of 'fetal dna' is a closely guarded 'trade secret'. You don't 'trade secret' the number zero.
There are no currently available 'standard' vaccines in this country for rubella that do NOT contain fetal DNA. Nor Chickenpox. Nor shingles. OTHER countries do, however, manage to grow rubella vaccines withOUT using fetal DNA. Imagine that.
In fact, you can't JUST get the measles or mumps vaccine any longer. You MUST get the rubella portion of that as well in the MMR vaccine.
I really don't care about 'chicken life'. We eat plenty of chicken at my house. I DO care though about any viruses those chickens may have been infected with prior to their being used in culture media and whether or not that media is a 'live virus' vaccine. Cause...then YOU have whatever virus that chicken had. And in the case of (monkey kidney cultured polio vaccine) SV40 that's probably a BAD thing.
Here's the info on 'pig wasting virus':
Now A Pig Virus DNA Is Found In A Merck Vaccine
And the link for the Lancet paper on SV40 again:
Monkeys, viruses, and vaccines
An interesting quote from that paper:
"Officials who had previously said SV40 was harmless were authorised to assess independent research that challenged that conclusion: “Not surprisingly, they reaffirmed their own previous wisdom.” Accepting that SV40 is a human carcinogen, they continue, raises questions about what the government response should be: “A coordinated and extensive search for SV40 in other kinds of tumors, coupled with far greater efforts to study how the virus causes tumors? A crash SV40 screening program among populations most likely to have been infected? … An anti-SV40 vaccination campaign?” The problem, they continue, is that to undertake any of these options the government would have to admit that it should have acted sooner to protect public health. In The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (University of Chicago Press, 1962) Thomas Kuhn suggests that paradigm shifts don't happen because opponents are converted by evidence, but rather because one generation of investigators and scientific leaders dies and is replaced by another. For credible epidemiological studies confirming whether SV40 from polio vaccines has caused human cancers, we may have to wait until a new generation is put in charge of the USA's health research bureaucracy."
When I started I had to prove I'd been vaccinated as a child...for the usual things. Then of course had to be tested for TB...( Which is at least every year...) Okay I'm fine with all that....
Then came along the Hep "B" vaccination...and I'm okay with that too. Cause it ain't every year...
But I've a problem with them continuing to poke and prod me with more and more vaccinations, and tests. I've never taken the flu shot...It's not mandatory yet where I've worked. I've not had the flu for years. But seen a lot of folks get sick after taking it....
I'm probably a friggin walking petri dish for colonized bugs...at this point. But I rarely get as much as a cold. I've had pt's pee on me, poop on me, puke on me, and hack loogie's in my eye's.......
RIGHT NOW...it's NOT a requirement where I work..and I am a Health Care Worker.
BTW....the CDC could give a flying @#%^#$^ about my health...and they ain't looking out for you either.
Significantly more people get the flu than get West Nile Virus. As of August, there were just over a thousand WNV cases--still in the range where cases can still be counted accurately. On the other hand, millions of people get flu every year, so it is not possible to count each one. It also is cost-prohibitive to run the diagnostic tests for every suspected flu case. As a result, the number of flu cases (and deaths) are determined using statistical methods. These methods are not inaccurate, but they do not give discrete numbers.
Anyway, what you want to look at are this flu map and this weekly flu report. These reports are generated using clinical data that is reported directly to the CDC. What I see in these reports is that flu season is picking up. It is not too late to get your flu shot, if you haven't already received it!
You're a doctor and you're clueless as to how a vaccination works? A vaccination protects ONLY the person who is vaccinated. It does not prevent someone from carrying and spreading the virus to another individual.
In other words, an immunized health care worker is just as likely to spread a virus. And I seriously doubt that a health care worker with Rubella or Pertussis would be "on the job".
“In other words, an immunized health care worker is just as likely to spread a virus.”
I didn’t know this was a humor thread.
“Significantly more people get the flu than get West Nile Virus. As of August, there were just over a thousand WNV cases—still in the range where cases can still be counted accurately.”
Which means they are NOT counting flu cases. WNV is tested for. Flu is *estimated*. What’s suspicious is the lack of background information and data available that they supposedly used to make that estimate.
Kind of like the global warming *estimates* we get from another government ‘institution’, NASA. All based on models that can be constructed to give whatever answer the modeler wants. Global temperatures on target for 5C rise over the next century. Trust us! Except we won’t tell you exactly HOW we modeled that (trade secret!) OR allow you to have the original raw data. But trust us. If you question us all the little baby polar bears will drown!
As always, I taught college. I failed kids who didn’t ‘show their work’. If we can’t know their methods or have the data their results are irreproducible. And can be published in the Journal of Irreproducible Results. This is not a high status journal. They aren’t allowing even rudimentary peer review.
I have a right to know. Apparently they think somehow their data is subject to ‘national security’.
Why is their method some great big secret? BTW, one of the guys I know who’s foia’d the requests TAUGHT at a local med school. Apparently they think he’s too stupid to ‘properly interpret’ their study. He thinks the flu shot is a scam too.
Neither you, nor I, have any way of knowing whether or not the department secretary pulled that number out of her belly button to make the report page correctly. It wouldn’t be the FIRST time big government agencies have been caught with the pants down this way.
And at least one study has linked vitamin D3 to incidence of influenza:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20219962?dopt=Citation
You are contagious after receiving a live virus vaccine. MMR is a live virus vaccine. So is chickenpox. And the shingles vax as well. IIRC some flu shots are live virus vaccines as well. The nasal spray version is one version.
You’re also contagious if you contract the disease
Okay Einstein. Explain to me how a vaccine works. Hint: A vaccine does not create a magic barrier around the recipient that prevents the virus from coming in or going out. Every person, vaccinated or not, is still perfectly capable of carrying the virus and passing it along to others.
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