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PPP, Marist, Quinnipiac, and other media pollsters are based their numbers on the assumption that turnout for Obama will equal or exceed his 2008 performance. Yet, hard data from real voting shows that he isn't coming close to matching his 2008 effort. Similar results apply in Ohio, Colorado, and Wisconsin.

Before you panic about poll numbers keep this in mind - they don't reflect reality on the ground.

1 posted on 11/01/2012 6:55:51 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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VIRGINIA EARLY VOTE: In Romney strongholds, enthusiasm up. Hanover (33.1% Obama) turnout up 6.2%, Buchanan (coal country) up 14.5% vs. '08

2 posted on 11/01/2012 6:56:46 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (O-H-I-O, Barry - misspell our name and we kick you out!)
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It is early AB not EV


3 posted on 11/01/2012 6:57:22 AM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: TonyInOhio

It’s pretty obvious now the wheels are coming off the cooked polls train. They’ve survived by speculation and conjecture. The hard numbers are difficult to explain.

I’m so looking forward to next Tuesday and hearing the BS.


7 posted on 11/01/2012 7:04:16 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: TonyInOhio

I’ve ben working the phones for Romney. This last week it’s all GOTV calls and I gotta tell you...Romney voters are ALL anxious to vote, although few are willing to vote early (myself included).


8 posted on 11/01/2012 7:05:43 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: TonyInOhio
What "early vote"?? Virginia doesn't have early voting stations, only absentee ballots permitted if and only if the government decides you have a good enough excuse.

As an aside, the Hurricane Sandy mess is a perfect illustration of why all states should have at least two weeks of full early voting, thus insuring against any such predictable but not avoidable disruptions affecting the election.

12 posted on 11/01/2012 7:07:24 AM PDT by stroll
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To: TonyInOhio
Gotta love the subtle headline bias.

These results are "troubling for 0bama" ... 0bama is the central figure, the 'hero'.

Why are these results not presented as "reassuring for Romney"?

13 posted on 11/01/2012 7:07:24 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TonyInOhio
VIRGINIA EARLY VOTE 10/31: 185,489 ballots cast in Obama localities (214,783 by this pt. in '08), 115,908 in McCain (117,224 in '08)

That might be down but not out...we have to beat his numbers before hand to make up for the built-in fraud that's coming our way...Dems have lawyered-up in all the swing states and we may not have a winner next Wednesday.

15 posted on 11/01/2012 7:08:34 AM PDT by MHT
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To: TonyInOhio; Perdogg; driftdiver; ImJustAnotherOkie; pgkdan; ScottinVA; Nervous Tick; stroll; ...

What effect is Virgil Goode having?


24 posted on 11/01/2012 7:30:17 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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You mean they may not exceed Republicans by 10%? How can that be from our unbiased press?

Pray for America


25 posted on 11/01/2012 7:31:43 AM PDT by bray (Nov 6, tell Obama to Stand Down!)
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To: TonyInOhio
Before you panic about poll numbers keep this in mind - they don't reflect reality on the ground.

Although I hope you're correct, don't such polls pave the way for massive election fraud before the end of next Tuesday? Are there realistic ways for Dems to "stuff ballot boxes" on Election Day? If Dems know in advance how much they need to make up (which they can deduce from these early voting numbers), can they conceivably generate enough "dead" votes to live up to these over-sampled polls?

26 posted on 11/01/2012 7:33:10 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: TonyInOhio

In 2008, it was Dems +2.5%. In 2004, it was Republicans +1.5%.

Most polls are now using Dems +3 to +8...so better turnout from Dems than in 2008. No rational person would expect that.

My guess at intensity is that the Republicans are slightly more intense this year than in 2004, so maybe R +2. That was Gallup’s guess as well. If correct, Romney will win with a margin comparable to Obama’s victory in 2008.


38 posted on 11/01/2012 8:01:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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I don’t ever trust the MSM polls. I’ll go with Gallup and Rasmussen. The others are using their polls to manipulate the public. Newsweek used to be THE worst, actually laughable.


39 posted on 11/01/2012 8:04:31 AM PDT by EDINVA (I)
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It’s important to note that when they speak of “localities” in VA, they mean counties or independent cities (there are a lot of the latter). Some liberals have tried to show better results for Obama in certain precincts in some state or other, ignoring the fact that precinct number 104 from 2008 could be way different from precinct 104 in 2012 due to redistricting. However, county (and independent city) lines stayed the same, so Cook is comparing apples to apples. These findings indeed are great news.


42 posted on 11/01/2012 8:13:56 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: TonyInOhio

If you apply the 2010 model, which this election is looking more and more like...you get a massive Obama defeat from the polling. The MSM and major polling places to date are unwilling to do this.

Dick Morris is averaging the elections from 2000 through 2010 and is showing a large Romney win...his model may end up being the most accurate...for obvious reasons.

On November 6th, We the People are goingt to STAND OBAMA DOWN!
http://www.jeffhead.com/standobamadown.htm


45 posted on 11/01/2012 8:38:13 AM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: TonyInOhio
Found this spreadsheet compiled by Dave Wasserman:

Cook Political Report VA Absentees Tracker, Updated 10/31/12

46 posted on 11/01/2012 8:38:43 AM PDT by Palmetto Patriot (2010 All Over Again. Make it happen. Get Busy!)
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To: TonyInOhio

Got things nailed down in Ohio so you’ve turned your attention to Virginia, Tony?

Actually these polls are reflecting what is on the ground. They can NOT show a poll with a reasonable breakout of voters. They can ONLY come up with a lead by wildly oversampling RATS.

The polls are actually showing a huge landslide for R/R. 5-10%.


49 posted on 11/01/2012 10:54:51 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: TonyInOhio

The possible fly in the ointment, is that election-year-to-election-year numbers might be measuring different things. The rules are evolving in many states regarding early voting, and whereas some of us refused to Early Vote as a protest against opening the door to vote fraud, now we feel, “what the heck, why fight it, it IS more convenient,” and so more of us join the EV crowd.


52 posted on 11/01/2012 12:57:07 PM PDT by cookcounty ("When I speak, I say what I mean and I mean what I say!" ---Joe Biden, 10/11/2012)
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DU is on suicide watch.


60 posted on 11/02/2012 6:12:27 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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