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To: ansel12

That is how the religion of Mormonism was designed in 1800s America, it was meant to appear as Christian, at the first stages, it is how they recruit, they even carry the bible along with the Book of Mormon.

Mitt Romney is currently in the process of becoming God. Read post 21.

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Post 21 provides Catholic teachings concerning the Mormon faith. Which inadvertently makes my point.

Look at it this way. Don’t Catholics hate the bigotry shown them by those who lack understanding?

To make my point. The Nicene Creed of the Catholic Church states that they are “the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church”. But my childhood faith taught me otherwise.

The faith of my childhood did not understand praying to saints, sprinkling instead of immersion, confession to a priest rather than to Christ in prayer and a priest offering absolution, which is Christ’s alone to give - heresy! The “joke” was: “a Catholic can do anything on Saturday night because come Sunday, a man will forgive him”.

I hold no condemnation for the Catholic faith or the Mormon faith. I did not say what I said to be ugly, but to point out that Catholics have no room to critisize what they do not understand, while asking people to understand them.

The Catholic Church has its own teachings, which I respect and admire, though the Church of my childhood believes that praying to Saints is not Christian, because Jesus said “the only way to the Father is through Me”.

My point? Not to condemn the Catholic Church at all - nor the Mormon Church.


33 posted on 10/25/2012 5:48:14 PM PDT by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KittenClaws
Post 21 didn't prove your point because ALL Christian denominations agree with it.

Mormonism is a religion that Christianity is in full agreement about, no Christian denomination, Protestant, Greek Orthodox, or Catholic accepts it as Christian, and EVERY denomination requires Christian baptism for a Mormon convert.

Lutherans, Baptist, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc., all on the same page about the polytheistic religion where God was just a man like Mitt and who Mitt will become to the worshipers on HIS own planet as our God is to us.

35 posted on 10/25/2012 5:58:40 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: KittenClaws; ansel12; All
Post 21 provides Catholic teachings concerning the Mormon faith. Which inadvertently makes my point. Look at it this way. Don’t Catholics hate the bigotry shown them by those who lack understanding?

Well, the tie 'tween Catholics & "bigotry" inadvertently makes my point -- as follows:

"Bigot" is etymologically tied to "Beguines." It was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a Roman Catholic lay sisterhood, with the meaning of attaching "excessive devotion" to this sisterhood...(yeah, the devoted do get slapped around a bit).

So, “bigot” in its original usage was tied to perceived intolerance. (I don’t know if the Beguines were actually intolerant or not). The Beguines were probably at least perceived as practicing "spiritual one-upsmanship"--and others didn't like it--they felt looked down upon. Perhaps they felt scorned because such sisterhoods tended to isolate themselves more and because of that, the Beguines perhaps were perceived as being spiritually snooty ("we don't like how excessively devoted they are").

But to wind this back to what I said. "Bigot" is originally tied to "excessive devotion." I suppose it's possible that the Beguines were indeed "excessively devoted." (It's also just as possible that the other Catholics' perception was largely wrong...but once a reputation develops...). But let's just say they were excessively devoted. If that's the name-slinging you wish to engage in, KittenClaws, I'll just recommend others the high road and claim a historical context.

But if you want to insist on a contemporary usage of that term -- that "bigot" means "intolerant" -- then you need to answer this Q. Because aren't you showing religious intolerance toward critics of Mormons? On what grounds is your "intolerance" so "allowable" and therefore comes as across as "elitist," whereas anyone else's perceived religious "intolerance" is called into question?

39 posted on 10/25/2012 6:20:50 PM PDT by Colofornian ( >)
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To: KittenClaws; ansel12; All
My point? Not to condemn the Catholic Church at all - nor the Mormon Church.

Your point? You seemingly condemn critics of cults (Lds).

So...somebody who's negative about the Lds church draws your negativity in response.

The former "negative" apparently is -- to you -- taboo...but your religious negativity and intolerance of some religious critics is A-OK, eh???

Sounds like a typical liberal multi-cultural double-standard.

Let me guess: You went to a state high school and/or a secular college...where you were taught this double-standard...and accepted it...without critical eval.

41 posted on 10/25/2012 6:23:41 PM PDT by Colofornian ( >)
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To: KittenClaws

“Post 21 provides Catholic teachings concerning the Mormon faith. Which inadvertently makes my point.

Look at it this way. Don’t Catholics hate the bigotry shown them by those who lack understanding?

To make my point. The Nicene Creed of the Catholic Church states that they are “the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church”. But my childhood faith taught me otherwise.

The faith of my childhood did not understand praying to saints, sprinkling instead of immersion, confession to a priest rather than to Christ in prayer and a priest offering absolution, which is Christ’s alone to give - heresy! The “joke” was: “a Catholic can do anything on Saturday night because come Sunday, a man will forgive him”.

I hold no condemnation for the Catholic faith or the Mormon faith. I did not say what I said to be ugly, but to point out that Catholics have no room to critisize what they do not understand, while asking people to understand them.

The Catholic Church has its own teachings, which I respect and admire, though the Church of my childhood believes that praying to Saints is not Christian, because Jesus said “the only way to the Father is through Me”.

My point? Not to condemn the Catholic Church at all - nor the Mormon Church.”


I am not a Catholic, but Catholics do not believe that Jesus is not god, that he did not suffer for our sins on the cross but suffered for them in the garden instead, that the virgin Mary had physical sex with God the Father, that Indians are just Jews who were cursed by God to be dark, that there are Mormons living on the surface of the moon and on the sun (both Smith and Brigham Young made this claim), that people can get into the highest Celestial heaven with handshakes and secret passwords stolen from the Free Masons.

Oh, and the LDS apparently even have their own secret police who investigate Mormons, follow “anti-Mormons” around, and their own “Egyptologists” who find ways to read Abraham or other Mormon claims into random papyri in ways that have nothing whatever to do with reality.


60 posted on 10/25/2012 8:10:44 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: KittenClaws; ansel12
Look at it this way. Don’t Catholics hate the bigotry shown them by those who lack understanding?

You're problem is that we, as Christians, aren't bigoted towards Mormons, nor do we lack understanding of your religion.

We are fully aware of how it so thoroughly diverges from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Just using FreeRepublic as your source, you could easily write an objective, fact-filled large volume of a book concerning the cult that is called Mormonism.

There has been an exhaustive comparison using the words of the founders of your religion, and the foundational documents and comparing the falsehoods of both, the false prophesies of the false prophet Joseph Smith and other so-called prophets.

While I believe most Mormons are sincere in their faith, it is not a Christian faith, as what it teaches is not Christ-Like, nor does it adhere to biblical teaching.

The biggest whopper of all told by Joseph Smith was how the Bible had been mis-translated early on and no proof of this accusation has ever been provided.
74 posted on 10/25/2012 9:33:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: KittenClaws
...Catholics have no room to critisize what they do not understand,...

And why do you believe that Catholics do NOT 'understand'?

Heck; it don't take a genius to read the bible and then read MORMON scripture and see that they are VERY different!

109 posted on 10/26/2012 5:06:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KittenClaws
The Catholic Church has its own teachings, which I respect and admire...

Sorry; but your previous statement is evidence that you don't:

The faith of my childhood did not understand praying to saints, sprinkling instead of immersion, confession to a priest rather than to Christ in prayer and a priest offering absolution, which is Christ’s alone to give - heresy!

110 posted on 10/26/2012 5:08:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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