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Could Sandy Target Northeast U.S.?
Weather Underground ^ | 10/24/2012 | Bryan Norcoss

Posted on 10/24/2012 8:00:22 AM PDT by dirtboy

Wow... what an extraordinarily unusual scenario. What seemed like a fluke of an idea - a hurricane-like system hitting the northeastern U.S. - is gaining credibility. Originally the European model was on its own with the spectacular but somewhat bizarre idea that Sandy would be injected with jet stream energy and curve back toward New England as a stunningly strong storm. Now one model after the other, including the ensembles, are favoring a swing back toward the East Coast after the storm goes by Cape Hatteras.

This the the afternoon run of the American GFS model ensembles - multiple lower-resolution runs with slightly different initial information, which allows for the fact that we can't measure the atmosphere precisely among other things.

The majority of the possible tracks now head into the Northeast, New England, or Atlantic Canada.

Could it really be a strong hurricane, as the European model predicts? We know that, occasionally, hurricanes do occur at these high latitudes at the end of October. Famously, the "Perfect Storm", otherwise known as the Halloween Hurricane battered New England in 1991. Also, Category 2 Hurricane Ginny hit Nova Scotia in late October 1963. But, neither were of a scale and impact like the Euro is showing.

With the influence of the jet stream, you would think any storm that comes ashore would be subtropical in nature - part tropical and part like a nor'easter - but the NHC doesn't allow for subtropical hurricanes in their naming scheme. It's considered to be such a rare and nearly impossible event.

The spectacularly unusual confluence of events is the shape and orientation of the dip in the jet stream that is forecast to develop over eastern North America over the weekend - oriented in such a way to pull Sandy inland instead of pushing it out to sea, and the presence of a strong tropical or subtropical system where it can get pulled in. That's so bizarrely unusual that I can't think of another event like it.

This kind of thing occasionally happens with nor'easters, notably the Great Appalachian Storm of November 1950 which curved in off the Atlantic and dumped 20 to 30 inches of snow over a wide area in the Mid-Atlantic and Midwest, but the odds of it happening with a system that originated in the tropics - with all of the moisture that that implies - are extremely low.

We certainly don't know that it's going to happen, and our concern at the moment is for our friends in the Caribbean and the Bahamas who will take a direct hit from a strengthening hurricane. The Florida and Carolina coasts also need to be ready to take protective action - especially boaters and people right at the coast - depending on the track Thursday to Saturday. But it's not often that credible forecast models consistently forecast a historic event, and with more models leaning that way, we need to be aware and pay attention along the entire U.S. East Coast


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hurricane; hurricanesandy; israel; sandy
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1 posted on 10/24/2012 8:00:25 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: NautiNurse

2 posted on 10/24/2012 8:01:35 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: All
There is a precedent:


3 posted on 10/24/2012 8:03:14 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

My brother and sister-in-law live in Lewes Delaware.....

Most of that area is at sea level or just above to the Chesapeake Bay....

A lot of retired folks in poorly built (not huricane proof) homes and mobile homes....

This would be bad.....


4 posted on 10/24/2012 8:05:19 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: dirtboy

I wonder how many Freepers read this article through the lens of how it might affect the election. I know I did!


5 posted on 10/24/2012 8:05:48 AM PDT by GnL
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To: dirtboy

Go to wxrisk.com and click on the Facebook link to see DT’s latest forecasts for Sandy. He is a ‘rogue’ in that he forecasts for a living (subscription service for businesses) and he is GOOD. He has been the lone voice around here predicting storms way before the local media guys do. Also, on the website, scroll down to the ‘audio’ link - listen to it and follow his explanation of the maps ..... scary.


6 posted on 10/24/2012 8:06:04 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: GnL

YEP....first question...”Is it scheduled to hit Nov 6th?”


7 posted on 10/24/2012 8:08:16 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: dirtboy

Couple years back, 2007 or 2008, there was a winter storm that dropped snow on us like a monster, weirdest part was that it developed an eye like a hurrivcane but not the wind speeds of one.


8 posted on 10/24/2012 8:09:36 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: dirtboy
This could be very nasty next week if it gets 'captured' and pulled into the NE. Joe Bastardi has been hyping this possibility (yeah, it's what he does) for about a week now [see his tweet history at this link].

The upshot is that the models are suggesting a possible 930-950 mb storm, which would normally be associated with a Cat 3-4 hurricane.

9 posted on 10/24/2012 8:09:47 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: MissMagnolia
Go to wxrisk.com and click on the Facebook link to see DT’s latest forecasts for Sandy. He is a ‘rogue’ in that he forecasts for a living (subscription service for businesses) and he is GOOD. He has been the lone voice around here predicting storms way before the local media guys do. Also, on the website, scroll down to the ‘audio’ link - listen to it and follow his explanation of the maps ..... scary.

DT is honestly borderline mentally ill; he has some knowledge but is a hypemonger and has trouble with sublety.

10 posted on 10/24/2012 8:10:16 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: dirtboy

I was half expecting this to be about Sandra Fluke...


11 posted on 10/24/2012 8:10:23 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Vote Romney to stop Obama. Vote conservative Congresspeople to stop Romney.)
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To: dirtboy

I am planning to be on retreat this weekend and have a woman who will be helping me take care of my cats. Not good.


12 posted on 10/24/2012 8:10:23 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dirtboy

Is the path in white considered the most likely?


13 posted on 10/24/2012 8:10:45 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (We won't stand for biased umps fixing a ball game but we allow a biased media to fix elections.)
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To: goodnesswins

No....October 29th to October 31st. It will be long gone before election day.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 8:13:11 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: goodnesswins

No. If it heads to the northeast, it’ll be Mon/Tues.

It could screw up trick-or-treating, but it’ll be long gone by Nov. 6.


15 posted on 10/24/2012 8:14:13 AM PDT by kidd
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To: goodnesswins

You know, it says on the map that the points are 12 hrs apart, so it looks to me, without an in-depth study, that some of the paths might put the storm over the northeast on election day.


16 posted on 10/24/2012 8:14:13 AM PDT by GnL
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To: alancarp
Lots of forecasters getting onto this bandwagon:

Lee Goldberg ‏@LeeGoldbergABC7
European model digging in its heels. Despite current NHC path, plenty of evidence for east coast impact. #Sandy

17 posted on 10/24/2012 8:15:46 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: dirtboy

Oh sure. I have next week off and it will be ruined by this?

Seriously, batten down the hatches everyone. We may have a blow!


18 posted on 10/24/2012 8:15:46 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: dirtboy

Looks like it could go ANYWHERE.

And when you consider that these meterologist jerks can’t tell you what the weathere will be like TOMORROW, I don’t put any reliance on their long-term predictions.

BUT, I will make sure my generator is ready and I have enough gas on hand and the generator batteries are charged - just in case.


19 posted on 10/24/2012 8:16:10 AM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Strategerist

You DO have to wade through the bluster, rabid anti-media forecaster attitude ... but from my personal experience, he’s the one I watch when there is ‘big’ weather out there. YMMV


20 posted on 10/24/2012 8:17:11 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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