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Pennsylvania Is the New Ohio
Real Clear Politics ^ | October 23, 2012 | Dick Morris

Posted on 10/23/2012 1:35:05 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot

With Romney gaining ground gradually in the swing state of Ohio, people have not paid enough attention to his surge in next door Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania casts 20 electoral votes and Ohio casts 18. And all electoral votes are created equal. It is possible to lose Ohio if you carry Pennsylvania and still win.

In Pennsylvania, polling by Republican John McLaughlin shows Romney three points ahead of Obama and a poll by The Susquehanna Polling organization shows Romney four points ahead in the Keystone State.

In Ohio, most polls have the race tied although all show significant progress by Romney in the past two weeks.

Why is Pennsylvania, nominally a more Democratic state, more hospitable to Romney than Ohio? Because Obama has run tens of millions of dollars of negative ads in Ohio smearing Romney, but has not done so in Pennsylvania.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2012swingstates; pa2012; polls
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1 posted on 10/23/2012 1:35:05 PM PDT by Palmetto Patriot
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To: fatima; Fresh Wind; st.eqed; xsmommy; House Atreides; Nowhere Man; South Hawthorne; brityank; ...

PA Ping!

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If you see posts of interest to Pennsylvanians, please ping me.

Thanks!


2 posted on 10/23/2012 1:37:36 PM PDT by randita
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Looks like the Big “O” machine will once again have to call on the talents of the Black Panther Poll Watchers.


3 posted on 10/23/2012 1:38:02 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Meanwhile a new Reuter/Ipsos analysis shows Obama trouncing Romney and claiming 332 electoral votes, inc. the states of FL, VA, OH, and CO.


4 posted on 10/23/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by randita
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To: randita

Link to article about Reuters/Ipsos poll.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-romney-electoral-college-map-reuters-poll-ipsos-2012-10?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider%2Fpolitics+%28Business+Insider+-+Politix%29


5 posted on 10/23/2012 1:39:31 PM PDT by randita
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To: Palmetto Patriot
I have been saying since the first PA polls showed up that forcing Obama to defend PA is a great distraction. Now it has become a serious plan B should Ohio prove to badly damaged by the Obama negative adds to be recovered. Besides there is a senate race in PA and helping the GOP GOTV in the state can pay a double dividend. Even if the GOP doesn't win the presidential race picking up that Senate seat would go a long way to getting rid of Harry Reid.
6 posted on 10/23/2012 1:39:39 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

romney must move into PA - start in the Pittsburgh market, then Scranton, then Philly.

It’s not just a contingency plan, but it will also drain Obama dry.


7 posted on 10/23/2012 1:44:49 PM PDT by mwl8787
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To: GonzoGOP

If you go to RCP’s own map, Gov. Romney can win WITHOUT Pennsylvania and Ohio. If you give him he 206 they do, and add FL, CO, IA, NV, VA and WI, Romney gets 279. Add Ohio and/or Pennsylvania, he wins walking away. In addition, I don’t see any scenario where Pres. Obama can win if he loses Ohio and Pennsylvania.


8 posted on 10/23/2012 1:46:29 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Palmetto Patriot

We really blew it by not dividing our Electoral Votes by Congressional District as was proposed.

That being said...I do think Barry is in deep trouble here.

He has really rubbed the Bitter Clingers the wrong way with his War on Coal and racial divide-and-conquer game. Plus in the Johnstown region you had a cadre of very reliable Democrats who always pulled the handle cause they owed their jobs to John Murtha. He is dead, his district is no more, and they are now Free Agents in every sense of the word.

Anything can and generally will happen in Philly, but Mitt has a realistic shot here.


9 posted on 10/23/2012 1:51:12 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I know former Chair voters here in southeastern Montco who are now voting Romney. The Obama signs are invisible. Romney signs all over the place. New ones popping up every day.


10 posted on 10/23/2012 1:56:11 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Palmetto Patriot

And right now Romney is flush with some $80 million or more while Barry reportedly spent the majority of his money over the last few weeks. Romney can therefor outspend Obama by a wide margin, unless of course Barry’s Saudi Arabian friends start writing him illegal checks again!


11 posted on 10/23/2012 1:57:28 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: cumbo78

The paths to victory without OH and PA are:

1. MI (unlikely)
2. IA and NV (Republican House breaks 269-269 tie)
3. WI and one of either IA, NV or NH

These assume FL, VA and CO, none of which Romney can realistically afford to lose.


12 posted on 10/23/2012 2:00:51 PM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Caddell on Neil Cavuto said that if Obumbler doesn’t get a substantial bounce out of last night’s debate by early Monday...game over...SO I am assuming that if Obumbler gets a small bounce but stays under 50% it will be Romney’s race to lose. God please get this EVIL man out of our WH...PLEASE keep his numbers under 47%...in Jesus Name!


13 posted on 10/23/2012 2:02:54 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: randita
Seriously what are these guys smoking. The big two haven't shown Florida or Virginia competitive for a while. The only poll that shows Obama up in Florida is a SurveyUSA poll from a week ago. Rasmussen and Fox News both have Romney up outside the MOE.

Likewise in Virginia the only poll that shows an Obama lead is Dem oversampled CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac poll from the first week of October. Rasmussen also has Virginia outside the MOE.

Finally there is Wisconsin. Once again the most recent Rasmussen poll puts this state in Romney's camp outside MOE. The only poll on the list that shows Obama up is the heavily biased CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac poll from October 4-9. The post debate 1 surge wouldn't even show up in that poll.

The biggest problem with using RCP is that they rate all the polls equally. When there is a trend running, as there is now for Romney, they tend to understate it because of the older polls on the list. In addition they weight Democrat oversampled polls alongside Gallup and Rasmussen.

14 posted on 10/23/2012 2:03:39 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Palmetto Patriot

Caddell on Neil Cavuto said that if Obumbler doesn’t get a substantial bounce out of last night’s debate by early Monday...game over...SO I am assuming that if Obumbler gets a small bounce but stays under 50% it will be Romney’s race to lose. God please get this EVIL man out of our WH...PLEASE keep his numbers under 47%...in Jesus Name!


15 posted on 10/23/2012 2:04:49 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: cumbo78

My opinion, it’s better for Romney to hit IA, NV and WI with ads than OH or PA. They should cost the same or less money but offer two chances for victory instead of one for the same amount of money.


16 posted on 10/23/2012 2:06:04 PM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: JediJones

Isn’t Romney on track to pick up 1 EV in Maine? Wouldn’t that break the tie in scenario 2?


17 posted on 10/23/2012 2:09:37 PM PDT by GnL
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To: cumbo78

NV and IA went Republican in 2004. PA hasn’t since 1988. Romney should win NV and IA for a 269-269 tie and call it a day.


18 posted on 10/23/2012 2:10:25 PM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: GnL

It will but Maine has never before split their vote to my knowledge. So if that happened, it seems likelier Romney would be sweeping in with a much wider win anyway.


19 posted on 10/23/2012 2:11:46 PM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: JediJones
The "only" problem with a 269-269 tie, is that unless the GOP gets to 50 seats in the Senate, that Joe Biden would be the Mitt's VP..

Now, THAT is a scary thought to contemplate..

20 posted on 10/23/2012 2:16:25 PM PDT by ken5050 (Another reason to vote for Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will perform at the WH Christmas party)
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