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Just how bad is the damage?
Salon ^ | October 4, 2012 | Steve Kornacki

Posted on 10/04/2012 6:22:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Let’s get the obvious out of the way:Barack Obama lost last night’s presidential debate. The question is how badly it will hurt him.

Heading into last night,the president enjoyed a lead of 3.1 points in the Real Clear Politics polling average. The margin was roughly consistent with where the race has been since Romney secured the Republican nomination in the spring,but it did reflect a slight tightening over the past week. But the immediate verdict from voters who watched the debate was clear,with 67 percent saying Romney fared better in a CNN flash poll,compared to just 25 percent for Obama. In CBS’s poll of undecided voters, Romney was the victor by a 46-22 percent spread.

Over the next few days,Romney stands to reap some significant benefits from what happened in Denver:

* The best press coverage of his life. Well,that’s probably overstating it, but Romney is in for the most favorable stretch of media treatment he’s received as a general election candidate. Since late August, when Republicans staged a dud of a convention,Romney has been portrayed as a candidate in decline, and Obama as a resurgent front-runner. There was good reason for this. Democrats put on perfectly choreographed convention, Romney suffered through the release of the devastating “47 percent” video,and polls confirmed that the momentum was squarely on Obama’s side. Anything short of a clear victory by Romney on Wednesday would have perpetuated this narrative. But he turned in the performance he needed (with a huge assist from a bafflingly docile Obama) and has given the media a new storyline: Romney’s back in it – now we have a real race! At least for the next few days,it will be Romney who is treated as the candidate on the rise,and Obama as the one desperately seeking to contain the damage..............

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debate; obama; obamabiden2012; presidentialdebate; romney
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Look for the left to drop some hit piece on Romney in the very very near future to counter the damage.


41 posted on 10/04/2012 6:46:16 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (We won't stand for biased umps fixing a ball game but we allow a biased media to fix elections.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

The most telling was the summation. Just like the Caine Mutiny where Captain Queeg self destructed on the witness stand.

The Zero’s comments on bipartisanship was his Queeg Moment.


42 posted on 10/04/2012 6:47:22 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
"Just how bad is the damage?"



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43 posted on 10/04/2012 6:47:39 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: adorno; All

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/cool-hand-barry/?hp

“...................The passion that the president exhibits on the campaign trail never showed up on the debate stage. To my mind, that was a mistake.

This is the closing argument of a campaign. The jury has heard all the evidence that it’s going to hear. The candidates needed to deliver a strong, moving summation. We all know that Obama is capable of stirring oratory, but in the first debate he failed to deliver. The guy with the weaker case made the stronger statement, falsehoods and all, and that is a dangerous thing to allow so close to Election Day.

The Obama campaign must learn from this blunder: stronger is better. The last phase of the campaign is about impressions more than it is about policy.

It is unfortunate, but at this stage, for the undecided people in the middle, substance is a casualty of style. By that measure, Romney outshone the president at this debate.

There are two more chances for the president to change tactics, or at least to show up to the debates energized and nimble: President Xanax just doesn’t cut it.

The question is whether he will.”


45 posted on 10/04/2012 6:48:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Daveinyork

“”People who were planning to vote for Obama are not going to change their minds,””


What you say is true. But, will they vote?

Ovama’s followers are very depressed this morning. If Obama cannot get his followers out of their slump, his voters may not waste their time going to the polls.

Meanwhile, Romney’s supporters and leaners are energized this morning.

Vote turnout is the key and Romney is doing well this morning.


46 posted on 10/04/2012 6:48:30 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Red Badger
huh? Romney treated Obama like what he really is - some former Baskin Robbins scooper and affirmative action hiree.

I've been watching debates since Kennedy/Nixon and have NEVER seen destruction on such a scale.

47 posted on 10/04/2012 6:48:58 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: Red Badger

The left went into the debate fancying that Obama, the great orator, would “mop the floor” with Romney and the election would be in the bag for their side. Instead, Obama looked alternately hesitant, petulant and nervous, and Romney won (narrowly on strict debating points, though a little more convincingly when the only two zingers of the night, “...own house, your own plane, but not your own facts” and the $90 billion = 2 million teachers and half of them went bankrupt remark are considered). The contrast between expectation and reality has driven the left to despair.

We, of course, went into it knowing Obama was petulant and lost without a teleprompter, so his performance didn’t look as bad to us as it did to them.

The left is now falling back on the theory that Obama is playing “rope a dope” and on pretending that the static scoring of the rate cuts in Romney’s tax plan is a fact, rather than a (questionable) piece of analysis to accuse Romney of “lying” (ignoring the effects of capping deductions in his plan and the plain historical that shows lower top marginal rates cause a larger share of taxes to be paid by the wealthy, while aggregate income tax receipts in the U.S. depend almost entirely on median household income, not details of tax policy).


48 posted on 10/04/2012 6:48:58 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The MSM meme is out “debates do not matter”


49 posted on 10/04/2012 6:49:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: txrefugee; zerosix; VanDeKoik; deport

I do think Romney did well, appeared Presidential and most importantly DID NOT MAKE ANY GAFFS. He sounded calm, and had a command of the facts, and did not appear intimidated at all. That is what the Left is so upset about. Obamugabe looked like GHW Bush in his debate when he looked at his watch..................


50 posted on 10/04/2012 6:49:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

51 posted on 10/04/2012 6:49:17 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: nuconvert

I’m waiting for the ...

“What you didn’t know was that last night, at the EXACT SAME TIME as the debate, American forces were doing xxxxxx (fill in whatever) and as CIC, the President knew this and he was SO concerned over our military, that he was worried and distracted and that is why he didn’t perform well.”


52 posted on 10/04/2012 6:50:48 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: fortheDeclaration; Cincinatus' Wife
It was very bad, because many people want a
reason to vote against Obama and now have it.
Thxs, for the post / very good remark... its very, very bad for [0]...
he gave 'em a reason to vote for the other guy..[0] is toast (right now)
....he's dangerous now; desperation is setting in.

53 posted on 10/04/2012 6:51:50 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

It was the SOS, but that’s all he has.................


54 posted on 10/04/2012 6:51:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Obama kept looking to Jim Leher for help. Leher did coach Obama on one or two questions, but without a teleprompter, Obama was rambling.

Now, Candy Crowly will get her marching orders for the next debate!


55 posted on 10/04/2012 6:52:15 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Obadiah

Somewhere online I found the ridiculous thread by which Obama is apparently staking that claim. it is that businesses are allowed to deduct their moving expenses when they ship stuff overseas.

So apparently, Obama is claiming he’ll have some effect on the economy by disallowing the shipping of materials overseas when they are involved with, what, simultaneously closing a domestic facility and opening one abroad?

Talk about empty and deceptive BS!


56 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: atc23

I was afraid that if Romney attacked Obama, the MSM would accuse him of not being respectful to the office................


57 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Yes, depressed. But, they will still vote. They hate us with every fiber of their being. That’s why they are depressed.


58 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:38 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: GoCards
That was awesome! Im still laughing at the statement this morning. Classic line that will go down in history.

My favorite was about "green energy". Actually, it was two of them:


59 posted on 10/04/2012 6:53:40 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

<<...Since late August...Romney has been portrayed as a candidate in decline, and Obama as a resurgent front-runner.>>

Portrayed Romney decline by the media yes, actual decline no. If you thought Obama was running a negative campaign, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Mitt better be ready for the kitchen sink these last 30 days because the Kenyan will be desparate.


60 posted on 10/04/2012 6:54:20 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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