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Just how bad is the damage?
Salon ^ | October 4, 2012 | Steve Kornacki

Posted on 10/04/2012 6:22:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Let’s get the obvious out of the way:Barack Obama lost last night’s presidential debate. The question is how badly it will hurt him.

Heading into last night,the president enjoyed a lead of 3.1 points in the Real Clear Politics polling average. The margin was roughly consistent with where the race has been since Romney secured the Republican nomination in the spring,but it did reflect a slight tightening over the past week. But the immediate verdict from voters who watched the debate was clear,with 67 percent saying Romney fared better in a CNN flash poll,compared to just 25 percent for Obama. In CBS’s poll of undecided voters, Romney was the victor by a 46-22 percent spread.

Over the next few days,Romney stands to reap some significant benefits from what happened in Denver:

* The best press coverage of his life. Well,that’s probably overstating it, but Romney is in for the most favorable stretch of media treatment he’s received as a general election candidate. Since late August, when Republicans staged a dud of a convention,Romney has been portrayed as a candidate in decline, and Obama as a resurgent front-runner. There was good reason for this. Democrats put on perfectly choreographed convention, Romney suffered through the release of the devastating “47 percent” video,and polls confirmed that the momentum was squarely on Obama’s side. Anything short of a clear victory by Romney on Wednesday would have perpetuated this narrative. But he turned in the performance he needed (with a huge assist from a bafflingly docile Obama) and has given the media a new storyline: Romney’s back in it – now we have a real race! At least for the next few days,it will be Romney who is treated as the candidate on the rise,and Obama as the one desperately seeking to contain the damage..............

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debate; obama; obamabiden2012; presidentialdebate; romney
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
:)


121 posted on 10/04/2012 7:48:50 AM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: KC_Conspirator
I disagree with your assessment on the conventions, but agree with much of what you say.

I posted an article. It is not my opinion.

122 posted on 10/04/2012 7:51:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cboldt

No, the clear implication Obama was making is that the federal tax code gives businesses a tax break for moving operations overseas. That is completely false and was stated by Obama to deliberately deceive.


123 posted on 10/04/2012 7:52:25 AM PDT by Obadiah (The corrupt MSM is the enemy of the American people.)
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To: SparkyBass; Fawn

Great photo journalism.

:)


124 posted on 10/04/2012 7:53:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ladyjane

GOre blames the altitude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkw8stAlrM&feature=share


125 posted on 10/04/2012 7:57:16 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
“People who were planning to vote for Obama are not going to change their minds,”
What you say is true. But, will they vote?

This is key. This election will hinge on which side is more motivated to show up at the polls (and for the Dems, whether they see any point in helping to cheat).

126 posted on 10/04/2012 8:00:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh


127 posted on 10/04/2012 8:00:49 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Vigilanteman

I thought the GOP convention was great. Not a dud at all.


128 posted on 10/04/2012 8:02:12 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ken5050

It was one thing to prop 0 up when there was a chance that not many people knew the facts, but 60,000,000 people saw the debate last night and there is no hiding from it. They know they will really look foolish if they even try, but more importantly, the MSM **WILL NOT** tie themselves to a loser! Image is everything to them and 0 looked, sounded, and acted like a loser and 60,000,000 people saw it. Some of the hard-core will continue to make excuses for him, but the meme is going to turn. You are right about their vanity: they have to be “with-it” and “hip” and “cool” at all times and 0’s “coolness” and “hipness” is gone - replaced by bumbling and foolishness. Didn’t Anderson Cooper tweet last night that “Obama really does need a teleprompter?” (I think I saw it on the Live Thread.) This is an indication that changes are coming in the media’s treatment of him. This change is in the media only; 0’s followers will probably get more rabid.


129 posted on 10/04/2012 8:04:29 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Red Badger
Good heavens! In Salon?........I saw the debate and I didn’t think it was as bad as all that the Left is making it out to be. Crocodile tears?.........

After 20 minutes I was asking if there was a mercy rule like in some high school sports. I started to cringe and winch involuntarily. I thought it was going to be much closer battle of ideas and values.

130 posted on 10/04/2012 8:06:29 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
perfectly choreographed convention???

Seriously? God out of the platform, God back in, voice vote x3 and all? So that was planned to happen that way???

131 posted on 10/04/2012 8:09:36 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Obama gives us the gift of downward mobility)
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To: nanetteclaret
The funny thing about so-called "tipping points" and/or "high tides" is that one never recognizes them until they're passed..this may well be the one..when (not if) the MSM, or at least a good % of them) turn on Obama, it will be all over..

Because it can't be that the policies are at fault, therefore it will have to be Obama's fault..

Off topic...I see that you're in Texas...I know that Cruz will win easily ( and can't wait to see and hear him in the Senate) but he's been pretty much off the national radar last few weeks...after the convention, he'd been out there often as an advocate for Mitt. Is this by choice?

132 posted on 10/04/2012 8:14:41 AM PDT by ken5050 (Laura Ingraham:"If the GOP can't beat Obama in this economy; shut down the party!")
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To: Obadiah
-- No, the clear implication Obama was making is that the federal tax code gives businesses a tax break for moving operations overseas. --

Technically, it does. It can't tax overseas businesses the same way it taxes domestic ones. Foreign businesses have lower US taxes than US businesses do.

At any rate, I agree with you that Obama is being deceptive.. Obama is appearing to say that US tax code somehow encourages businesses to move overseas (and I'll say again, it probably does - or taxes in combination with other regulations), and that businesses that don't locate in the US are somehow taking advantage of some tax loophole that Romney wants to keep, and Obama wants to eliminate.

133 posted on 10/04/2012 8:16:48 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: sportutegrl

One of the Obamzombies in Luntz’ focus group on Fox was spouting the same talking point.


134 posted on 10/04/2012 8:19:28 AM PDT by amishman
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To: ken5050

I don’t know.


135 posted on 10/04/2012 8:20:32 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Cboldt

Yes, on that sleight-of-hand we agree.


136 posted on 10/04/2012 8:25:36 AM PDT by Obadiah (The corrupt MSM is the enemy of the American people.)
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To: arbee4bush
Help me out here to respond to this from a lib: So I'm just unclear on something. Romney says he will not raise taxes for middle class. But he will eliminates many deductions. How is this different? If I used to get a refund and will now have to pay isn't this essentially the same thing. Please explain. The discussion regarding eliminating ddeductions is for those making more than $250,000 not the middle class.
137 posted on 10/04/2012 8:40:35 AM PDT by koraz
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To: deport
I doubt a single hard core supporter changed after this talk session.

That would be true even if Zero had cried and begged Romney to stop.

MY BIL (registered R but ALWAYS votes D) sored it 15/3 for Romney. Proving your point his wife, a Jew, and fervent member of the NEA, scored it 10/8 Romney. Which is surprising considering her viewpoints. But I sincerely doubt that even had Zero made an obvious antisemitic remark she would consider voting for R.

However, R may have rung the media's bell. They may be thinking they better start reporting that Zero is not a shoo in to cover their butts in the event of a R win. And that could be good for our base.

OTOH, I believe that after a short period of half decent coverage the media will double down on R, attempting to negate the benefit of the debate. God only knows the nasty stuff that is now forthcoming from the O campaign.

138 posted on 10/04/2012 8:50:37 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: USCG SimTech

Never bring an ideology to a ideas and values fight...........


139 posted on 10/04/2012 8:51:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
People (most) don't like seeing a seemingly stronger person
do a beatdown on a seemingly weaker one. The Obama might make out ok here.

This debate format was also not good for a somewhat supercilious
pseudo-intellectual person. Much better for a practiced slickster.

Next debate, “town hall” style with Candy Crowley. Could make a difference.

140 posted on 10/04/2012 8:58:41 AM PDT by procrustes (You make Free Republic look bad!)
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