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Exactly.
1 posted on 09/02/2012 7:40:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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He didn’t say what he said. If you think he said what you heard him say, you’re stupid.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 7:42:33 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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Precisely!!!


3 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:09 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Government it'self is the REAL "Free Rider!" Obamacare will create burdensome "Free Riding!!!")
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It was no gaffe. he meant it.

The former co-founder of Car(l)Ma(r)x even supports the statement.


4 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:09 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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Slate.com eh? Another leftist off the reservation.


8 posted on 09/02/2012 7:50:14 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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Back in the day, in my misspent youth, I was a student at the University of Oregon. I took a class in Marxism from one of the school’s strident and outspoken Marxists, and it was one of more eye-opening experiences of my life. To the point, then: Obama’s statement is classic Marxist thought. My prof taught us the same thing in our class - that is, the wealth appropriated by the capitalists came from the labor of the workers. The delusion of the capitalist is that he thinks that the wealth came from his effort, when actually it came from the workers. One day, at least according to the Marxists, the workers will rise up and kill the capitalists, thereby taking the wealth that they created through their labor. As my prof used to point out to the delight of those of us with more pedestrian values, good and bad have different meanings based on who you are. When the workers kill the capitalists, it won’t be good for the capitalists, but it will be good for the workers.

Famous Cherokee warrior Elizabeth Warren said the same thing last year, I believe.

In any case, I recognized Obama’s meaning the moment he said it. It’s an expression of his ideological core values.

God help us.


9 posted on 09/02/2012 7:54:00 PM PDT by redpoll
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obama meant just exactly what we thought he meant, context or no context!!!!

There is at least one other obama quote that should not be allowed to go away:

“Take the pain pill”!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo


12 posted on 09/02/2012 7:57:56 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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Building things is racist.


15 posted on 09/02/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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I find it difficult to believe someone like Obama could be so politically naive. He has been accused of being a socialist by the Republicans since and before he gained office, and he decides to go on a rant about how selfish business owners are for not wanting to pay exorbitant taxes. Then he complains his words were taken out of context. His problem is that the context is worse than the actual words. The context is not only the speech he gave that day but also his whole career.


17 posted on 09/02/2012 8:08:19 PM PDT by driftless2
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How’s this from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand (1957):

James Taggart on Hank Reardon:

“Rearden. He didn’t invent smelting and chemistry and air compression. He couldn’t have invented his Metal but for thousands and thousands of other people. His Metal! Why does he think it’s his? Why does he think it’s his invention? Everybody uses the work of everybody else. Nobody ever invents anything.”

She said, puzzled, “But the iron ore and all those other things were there all the time. Why didn’t anybody else make that Metal, but Mr. Rearden did?” (page 262).

That’s what missing in this whole discussion of Obama’s about “You didn’t build that by yourself”: Every inventor of something new worked within an existing social and economic circumstance, and did what no one else did. That is why it is foolish to insist that the inventor didn’t do it by himself. Instead, he worked within the existing circumstances and did what no one else did. In that sense he did do it by himself in spite of what Obama thinks.


18 posted on 09/02/2012 8:09:33 PM PDT by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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“You didn’t build that!”

Racist code-wording for you hate the BLACK President.

Just ask anyone at MSNBC or Daily Kos about this.


19 posted on 09/02/2012 8:10:08 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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Before he got around to the "you didn't build that" line, Obama had already basically said "If you were successful:

1) Let me give you a list of everyone besides you who contributed to that success.

2) Let me mock you if you think you're successful because your smart, or because you worked hard.

3) Let me extol what everyone else has done to help you, without giving you any credit or acknowledgement. Let me especially ignore and make no mention of the fact that many of you may have risked your savings and/or gone into debt in order to start your businesses.

So naturally, by the time he got around to saying the "you didn't build that" line, even granting his claim that it was misinterpreted, the misinterpretation was still representative of the disimissive attitude toward business owners of everything he had said prior to that!

So Obama wants us to back off the "you didn't build that" line because it was misinterpreted! Fine ... then let's confront him with the three items I've mentioned above, because that clearly is what he did and did not say, and there is NO debating that!
21 posted on 09/02/2012 8:13:04 PM PDT by zencycler
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I commend Slate for trying to explain this to their readers. Afeter reading the comments from the “Progressives”, sadly, it didn’t work.


23 posted on 09/02/2012 8:15:32 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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This is what he meant.

If you’ve got a business, that...you didn’t build that. Someone else made that happen.

That is why he must have a teleprompter. He cannot contain his hostility towards America without it.

He’s an idiot and a husk.


25 posted on 09/02/2012 8:17:02 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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Obama didn't say, "You didn't build those", meaning roads and bridges. He said, "You didn't built that", meaning your business.
28 posted on 09/02/2012 8:23:21 PM PDT by Signalman
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The thing about the spin from the left on this as to what the President “actually meant” is that it doesn’t at all change the meaning - the point of the speech still remains to diminish the significance of individual achievement - that is the only thing it could have meant - with that sentence preceded by the other mocking comments about people claiming to be “so smart” and claiming they “worked hard”, etc. Their spin is also just as incorrect - the roads and bridges would not be there without business owners and their employees producing the capital that was taxed. Look at the old pictures of towns / cities when they were first starting up - no roads, no bridges. Dirt paths and little boats to take things across. Totally wrong - he and his fellow liberals have it backwards.


36 posted on 09/02/2012 8:30:12 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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I wonder how professor thomas crapper feels about this. who knew obama helped him invent the toilet with the help of roads and bridges.


39 posted on 09/02/2012 8:49:15 PM PDT by Ryan_Rubio_2016
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I wonder how professor thomas crapper feels about this. who knew obama helped him invent the toilet with the help of roads and bridges.


40 posted on 09/02/2012 8:49:21 PM PDT by Ryan_Rubio_2016
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Slate did not include enough of the quote to get the larger context. They clipped of Obama making applause lines with the crowd listening that people who were successful did not get there because they worked had or were smart. Then he mentioned teachers and roads. Then he mentioned that people who owned business didn't "build that".

The difference is important. Obama was indeed saying that the success of the business owner was neither due to hard work nor to the unique talent of the business owner...and in FULL context there is no escape for the liberals trying to claim it was a gaffe.

42 posted on 09/02/2012 8:56:41 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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Rachael Larimore appears to be the first liberal member of the press able to understand both sides. Rachael actually ‘empathized’ with us. Very strange - stranger yet that Slate ran it...


43 posted on 09/02/2012 9:02:03 PM PDT by GOPJ ("If you want to know who controls you, find out who you are not allowed to insult."TravisMcGee)
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Even Slate, trying to show objectivity, STILL gets it wrong. They didn't cite the FULL quote, which incriminates more. In the full speech, Obama also demeans those successful business people by saying (paraphrased) "you successful people think you're smarter and work harder than everyone else-there are a lot of smart people, a d a lot of people who work hard..."

Again, this doesn't explain why ALL smart, hard-working people become successful. He implies that government is the sole contributor to success.

47 posted on 09/02/2012 9:04:30 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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