How Pussy Riot Bamboozled the Media

Townhall.com ^ | August 22, 2012 | Rachel Marsden

[dirtboy]

No. I see a bunch of skanks vandalizing a church to make some political point.

Once again, you only see this through the filter of OWS instead of the situation in Russia. The two are not the same. Russia is facing actual repression of political views. And the Church is in bed with the fascists.

[Lazamataz]

Putin’s government is a corrupt gangster government that murders its opponents with complete impunity and does everything possible to thwart US interests around the world. These women have lost their liberty by protesting it through artistic expression. But here is this column, and here are people on this board actually taking Putin’s side in the controversy.

I've been in touch with a few Russians inside Russia via facebook. One is stridently defensive of Putin, pointing to his pretty pro-capitalism, pro-freedom essays.

Okay, it's easy to write one way but live another, right?

Anyways, I don't view Putin as trying to take Russia back to Communism. I view Putin as taking Russia back to Tsarism, with Putin as the Tsar.

[Antoninus]

Maybe you should read their court statements instead of just pretending they are an OWS offshoot.

Gee, a bunch of hooligans using their trial as a venue to spout intellectual excuses for their crime? That's never been done before.

I don't care what their court statements are. Their actions were vile and deserving of punishment.

[freedomlover]

“I don’t have a lot of sympathy for groups who protest in churches. I don’t care much for PR’s “music” (I’ve never heard it anyway), I’m just think two years in jail for pulling a stupid stunt where nothing was damaged is a tad harsh. I wouldn’t like it if Dem protesters invaded the Republican convention to stage a protest, but I wouldn’t advocate two years in prison as a punishment. Three months of picking up litter or something like that would be a proper punishment.”

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What do you think are the chances it will be done again?

Play your stupid game, here’s your stupid prize.

[Cronos]

These women are not airheads. They are Russian dissident intellectuals with a direct lineage to Soviet Refuseniks.

Down to the sex in public, down to a showing of them portraying the anti-Putin opposition as a bunch of anarchic barbarians? If anything they are destroying the anti-Putin movement by giving putie proof that "see, these are my opposition, they act like scum, do you want to vote for them?"

[dirtboy]

Their actions were vile and deserving of punishment.

So fascism is fine and dandy with you as long as the other side that you disagree with goes to jail.

I guess it doesn't occur to you that sooner or later, someone will disagree with YOU and want to use that same power against your political point of view.

[Antoninus]

on the contrary Pussy Riot is disruptive to the anti-Putin crowd, making it easy to label all opposition as somehow this kind of crowd that wants to destroy Russian culture. If you want to say PR is the voice of the anti-Putin opposition then you are supporting Putin and his point of view

That's exactly how I see this. If you want sympathy for your point of view, don't act like loathsome western pop-stars when making your political statements.

[dirtboy]

you are jumping from topic to topic, first linking PussyRiot as a voice of the Russian opposition, then when being pointed out that they are NOT the voice of the opposition, you go in a tangent

I am going in no such tanget. Garry Kasparov, who puts his butt on the line for political rights in Russia, has declared PR to be political prisoners. Which they are.

Too many people are OK with people they strongly disagree with being persecuted for their views, failing to realize that the persecution never stops there.

[dirtboy]

If you want sympathy for your point of view, don't act like loathsome western pop-stars when making your political statements.

If you want to not be persecuted for your point of view, you need to stand up when someone else is being persecuted for theirs. I'm sure a lot of folks in colonial America didn't think much of throwing tea in Boston Harbor, either. That was actually destruction of property.

[Antoninus]

So fascism is fine and dandy with you as long as the other side that you disagree with goes to jail.

LOL. Keep arguing against that straw man. If these women had legally protested Putin and were jailed, I'd be on your side. But no, they had to break the law, act like skanks and desecrate a church. I have no patience for that. In fact, you seem to be arguing that they should get special treatment because they claim to be political dissenters. If it was just some unknown druggie who vandalized this church, do you think he would have gotten off with a lesser sentence in Putin's Russia? I don't.

[dirtboy]

If these women had legally protested Putin and were jailed, I'd be on your side.

Uh, dude, in case you've failed to follow the recent news out of Russia, there is no such thing as a legal means to protest him.

But no, they had to break the law, act like skanks and desecrate a church. I have no patience for that.

This is the nature of the church in question:

That Christ the Savior Cathedral had become a significant symbol in the political strategy of the authorities was clear to many thinking people when Vladimir Putin’s former [KGB] colleague Kirill Gundyayev took over as leader of the Russian Orthodox Church. After this happened, Christ the Savior Cathedral began to be openly used as a flashy backdrop for the politics of the security forces, which are the main source of political power in Russia.

So if there was a state church in the US and Obama appointed Eric Holder as its head, and that church openly promoted Obama's fascism, would you be so willing to defend it from protests?

[gdani]

What happens in Russia is their own business, as long as they are not trying to expand their empire like the Soviets did.

Is that your opinion when Christians are being assaulted & killed in other countries by Muslims, sometimes with cooperation of the government?

[Antoninus]

If you want to not be persecuted for your point of view, you need to stand up when someone else is being persecuted for theirs.

Really? I need to stand up for hedonists who desecrate churches?

Sorry. Not interested.

[Antoninus]

Kasparov is apparently a Bilderberger

Interesting. I'm not a big believer in these New World Order conspiracy theories, but one has to wonder when you see stuff like this.

[gdani]

Russia is facing actual repression of political views. And the Church is in bed with the fascists.

Isn't it ironic that many of the same people who have no trouble calling Obama a dictator, etc have no problem being apologists for Putin?

Obama, reprehensible as he is, can't hold a candle to Putin in the dictator department.

[Blackirish]

If you want to define church as a pro-commie,KGB sanctioned institution then yes they desecrated a church. I think Pussy Riot should be applauded for their courageous stand for freedom and exposing this “church” and for the sham that it is.

[Antoninus]

So if there was a state church in the US and Obama appointed Eric Holder as its head, and that church openly promoted Obama's fascism, would you be so willing to defend it from protests?

Obama lives in the White House. If a bunch of hedonistic skanks broke in and vandalized the White House, showing utter contempt for America in the process, I would oppose such acts as moronic and a detriment to the anti-Obama cause.

How is this so hard to understand?

[dirtboy]

Really? I need to stand up for hedonists who desecrate churches?

The Russian Orthodox Church desecrated itself by allowing a Putin toady to be appointed its head. Nothing Pussy Riot could do could possibly sully that church any worse.

You are more concerned with the antics of leftist protestors than the abuse of state power to curb dissent.

[dirtboy]

Obama lives in the White House. If a bunch of hedonistic skanks broke in and vandalized the White House, showing utter contempt for America in the process, I would oppose such acts as moronic and a detriment to the anti-Obama cause.

Now, what if Obama declared himself to be dictator for life and used the White House as a center for cracking down on freedoms in this country? What shows more contempt for America in that case? Hedonistic skanks or the fascist with the power to end our liberties?

[dirtboy]

If you want to define church as a pro-commie,KGB sanctioned institution then yes they desecrated a church.

People are looking at this through their own filters of what is happening in America. They would be really P.O.'d if OWS barged into their Sunday services and trampled on the alter, and I would agree with them.P>But in Russia, the church has become a vassal of the fascist state. Pussy Riot had bona fide reasons to be protesting both Putin and the Orthodox Church. Whether or not we agree with their methods, they did bring attention to what Putin is doing to political dissent in his country - and they are paying with such with jail time.

And last I checked, we are political dissenters in our country, and many on the left think we should be locked up and persecuted.