Posted on 08/20/2012 8:22:09 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Social Security Administration on Ammo Buy: 589 Bullets Per Agent Is Normal By Penny Starr August 17, 2012
(CNSNews.com) – Tracy Lynge, deputy assistant inspector general with the Social Security Administration’s Office of Inspector General, said the order for 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets is normal for the agency to use in training its 295 special agents and arming them as law enforcement personnel deployed in 66 offices around the country.
The Social Security Administration (SSA) posted a "Request for Quote for Ammunition" on the FedBizOps.gov website on Aug. 7. The request listed the bullets that SSA wanted as ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition." The quantity listed was "174 TH." (See SSA order.pdf)
“As with other Federal law enforcement agencies, SSA’s OIG [Office of Inspector General] has established training requirements, such as mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications,” Lynge told CNSNews.com in an Aug. 17 e-mail in response to questions about the ammunition acquisition. “This training uses a considerable amount of ammunition.”
“For example, 290 agents training four times per year and using 150 rounds per training session would need 174,000 rounds,” Lynge said.
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Loading up, they know we will be real mad once they steal the election in November.
You are still affording it, albeit indirectly through taxes.
to stop Paul Ryan from pushing granny off the cliff.
“Why do they need hollow point ammunition to shoot at targets?”
Don’t you see that circle on your forehead when you look in the mirror?
Well, speaking just for myself, I take the same rounds to the range that I keep in my magazines. I tried FMJ's once in this pistol, and it doesn't like them. Not one jam with self-defense rounds, but several just going through one box of the cheap stuff.
“I don’t begrudge those agents being armed and training appropriately. NOAA, SSA, DHS, etc have a few branches that can get into sticky situations”.
All of the listed agencies, are bureaucratic, as are many others now with their own private armies.
There is no authority for government to engage in the raising of private armies, nor is there authority to fund them. They are there strictly to go after “we the people”.
Only someone with a very limited knowledge of the Constitution of the United States would be agreeing with the need for armed bureaucrats looking for work.
This is just one more example of a Congress that has shirked its responsibilities to the people for whom they work and from whom they receive their power.
The last time I checked, the second amendment is more for our protection from out of control government than it is for rogue police agencies to protect themselves from us.
Because you practice with what you carry. If the ammo / firearm combo you carry has feeding problems, you are better off finding out at the range.
Now - as to why the department of education and the SSA need guns at all.....
They sound like a bunch of dead-eyes to me..
If ya need to practice that often when you’re dealing with older folks..
maybe ya need to lead ‘em a little less..
Older folk ain’t that fast.. unless they’re going for their weapon.
Actually, 600 rounds per officer doesn’t do much for proficiency. The military has been teaching Train like you fight and fight like you train for years.
My concern is that there are that many “armed enforcement agents in the SSA” and why the exotic caliber of .357 sig. The 9mm is fine for the army and the .40 S&W is good for the FBI. Whats up? I wonder what the gun purchases look like and if they have this many shooters for Ganny Cops, what other administrative agencies are now enforcement agencies?
Attempt to run up the price of ammo before the election so that the “peasants” cannot afford any?
When did people start using Hollow points for practice?
If you think about it full automatic weapons are not a problem in the general populous because it takes a government to provide care and feeding for them.
Show me.
Seriously. Where are you buying your ammunition? What caliber? Are you referring to loaded ammunition, or reloading components?
Your claim is completely irreconcilable with my experience buying ammunition ...
But that's OK. If you can show where, for example Hornady XTP loaded ammunition can be had for no more than 10% premium over same weight, same velocity ball ammunition ...
I'm very interested to know.
“When did people start using Hollow points for practice?”
This actually comes from the “...every round fired has a lawyer attached to it...” file.
Seems like centuries ago, the LAPD/Sherrif’s reloaded their own practice .38 ammunition. Don’t remember if they were full up .357 at that time, but the practice ammo was lead, and the carry was JS/HP.
Guessing now, but bet a lawyer made the case that training with target ammo, then loading up with “mankiller-carstopper-shreadding-hollowpoint” ammunition was a bad practice.
Enter “train what you carry” rules.
Not a bad idea for those that go about armed so long as inexpensive training ammo is available (reloads?). For agencies, it usually boils down to just buy extra of the carry, and train with that......meaning.....
The 9mm 147 gr hydrashock “subsonic” is a perfect example of an agency round. Works in everything, somewhat effective, and now that it has been manufactured for a bunch of years by the millions, less expensive than switching.
Hollow points become “training” rounds when training with them becomes the path of lease resistance against cost, function, cost, policy, cost, and cost.....
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If your ammo doesn't cycle your issue 5% of the time, why would they buy the junk ammo to begin with? Were they too stupid to test it before purchase?
SSA felony in progress is on the level of FRAUD, not a hell of a whole lot of violent crime in progress to begin with, so having a major shoot out sit likely.
Busting a major SSA fraud ring, they aren't going in alone anyway. They will have FBI or Marshall with them.
I buy ammo mostly at the Wal-Mart close to home — .45 and 9mm.
If there’s a price difference, it wasn’t enough for me to notice. I’d have to check the brands. I ain’t all that brand loyal — Winchester, Remington, etc. Maybe Blazer.
SnakeDoc
OK. Thanks. That explains it.
The concern is YOUR ammo in YOUR gun. Most ammo may run fine in most guns for most users, but unless YOU have run YOUR ammo in YOUR gun to YOUR satisfaction, be wary of staking YOUR life on it. YOU do the testing, just like YOU fold YOUR parachute.
And sure, agents are not going in alone. Should “that moment” happen, it’s YOUR problem, not theirs. Felons-in-progress may not be violent in the given crime, but may fast get there when resisting getting busted.
“The real issue is that people didn’t know the SSA had shooters.”
I don’t think they do have “Shooters” I think like Barney Fife give them a couple of rounds to stick in a shirt pocket.
if your job included knocking on doors in the projects to see if granny really was alive and kicking at 101 or someong else was cashing her check... would you carry a gun?
“589 Bullets Per Agent Is Normal”
Where? In Afghanistan? Detroit? Chicago?
The military always gets nickled and dimed on ammo, but SSA, DHS, and other government agencies get more ammo than they need?
Figures.
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