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1 posted on 07/25/2012 10:18:16 AM PDT by Kaslin
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There are things happening in this country, especially as regards Christians, that decent people would never have imagined could ever happen. Evil is becoming more and more emboldened.


2 posted on 07/25/2012 10:24:13 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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There are things happening in this country, especially as regards Christians, that decent people would never have imagined could ever happen. Evil is becoming more and more emboldened.


3 posted on 07/25/2012 10:24:13 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” - DOI, 1776


4 posted on 07/25/2012 10:26:41 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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Nothing at all surprising here. Govt for some time has been about forcing their edicts rather than relying on consent of the people to conduct their affairs. What will be surprising is the time when We the People stop knuckling under enmass.


5 posted on 07/25/2012 10:29:40 AM PDT by 556x45
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Well, we’ve know this was coming for almost 50 years.


6 posted on 07/25/2012 10:32:04 AM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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If they don’t want to or can’t continue to fight, I would suggest subdividing their business and possibly making some employees independent contractors to keep under the 50 employee rule per business.


7 posted on 07/25/2012 10:32:24 AM PDT by mnehring
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How many of those protesting the “unjust laws” voted for the very people who enacted them? The chickens are coming home to roost.


8 posted on 07/25/2012 10:33:15 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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I have heard personally from two small business owners (pretty much all that I know - 100%) that they will be following this family. One has already told his employees that he cannot provide health insurance if the bill stands (even to himself).


9 posted on 07/25/2012 10:36:30 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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First Obama came for the Catholics...


10 posted on 07/25/2012 10:37:52 AM PDT by Signalman
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"By definition," said the Justice Department, "a secular employer does not engage in any 'exercise of religion.'"

"It is well established that a corporation and its owners are wholly separate entities, and the Court should not permit the Newlands to eliminate that legal separation to impose their personal religious beliefs on the corporate entity or its employees," said the Justice Department.

But Sharia law is gonna be just peachy!

Sorry about this Tennessee...

In his attack on ECD and Samar Ali, Degan is echoing those groups that have attacked the governor’s appointment, largely because Ali is Muslim. She was a White House Fellow in 2010-11 and her resume includes work as a lawyer in a U.S. law firm’s Abu Dhabi office that involved Sharia-compliant business transactions – which is routine in many Middle Eastern countries.

Degan spent eight minutes, in a 42-minute recorded interview, talking about Sharia and Ali. Among his assertions:

--"Our governor several weeks ago appointed Samar Ali straight from the Obama administration to the top position in the Tennessee economic development department . . . so we’re preparing our state for Sharia money to come in."

http://www.politifact.com/tennessee/statements/2012/jul/24/woody-degan/candidate-vanderbilt-state-sharia/

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13 posted on 07/25/2012 10:50:30 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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If Obama knew enough Latin to translate “casus belli”, he would be a lot more worried. When a government that is supposed to derive its just powers from the consent of the governed orders individuals to violate deeply held religious beliefs, that government action has crossed a clear line. The American government is supposed to be good, not evil, but that belief on my part no longer matches reality.


14 posted on 07/25/2012 10:51:42 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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But if they didn’t build the business themselves, then other people must have given them help. So therefore corporations are people and they should have their religious liberty protected.


17 posted on 07/25/2012 10:57:24 AM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs (Gov The People, Buy The People, Bore The People.)
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Interesting article. The author doesn’t seem to recognize that he’s bumping the controversy up a notch.

AFAIK all the claims that this is a violation of religious liberty have been with regard to religious organizations other than those that are specifically churches. Hospitals, schools, shelters, colleges, etc.

This article claims that the personal religious beliefs of the owners of a completely secular business should receive similar privilege. While perhaps a valid position, it is certainly an expansion of the issue.

I wonder how the author would react to the Jehovah’s Witness business owner who buys an insurance policy for his employees that won’t cover blood transfusions.


18 posted on 07/25/2012 10:58:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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This is the type of case that should prompt an open, public and unequivocal statement from the Roman Catholic Church to Kathy Sebelius:

You will stand down on this issue and refrain from harassing faithful Catholics who are attempting to live their lives according to the well-documented directives of their faith, or you are an enemy of this Divine institution and therefore a minion of Satan.

19 posted on 07/25/2012 11:00:49 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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We lost this fight during the 1960s under the guise of Civil Rights legislation.

Listen, dumb rednecks not allowing blacks to eat in their restaurants was certainly despicable and insulting, but when the government said they HAD to serve them, or anybody, they were no longer THEIR restaurants. The government shouldn’t have made it a matter of law, and I still think laws like that are unconstitutional as they violate free association.

Soon they’ll make the same argument about marrying gays. Priests, reverends and rabbis will HAVE to.


20 posted on 07/25/2012 11:00:56 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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What has been telling is how quiet the Catholic Bishops have been on the employer mandate - so long as it is not directly put upon them.
28 posted on 07/25/2012 11:24:53 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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Rev.Martin Niemoller, (1945) [he served seven years in a concentration camp]
“In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Catholic. Then they came for me and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.”

Who will speak for you?


33 posted on 07/25/2012 11:43:23 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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"It is well established that a corporation and its owners are wholly separate entities, and the Court should not permit the Newlands to eliminate that legal separation to impose their personal religious beliefs on the corporate entity or its employees," said the Justice Department.

Jurisdictional differences: persons vs. corporations. The Justice Department is basing it's entire prosecution on that difference. Shouldn't you understand exactly why that is so important concerning Obamacare?

Then please - please - read and learn what this fight is really all about:

How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America

34 posted on 07/25/2012 11:50:49 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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The way he’ll really get at the Catholic Church and other Christians in his second term is “gay marriage,” which he will try to force all churches to perform. In the case of the Catholic Church, he’ll also go for discrimination because the Church doesn’t ordain women.

Count on it.

All the property that he seizes will probably go to the Episcopalians...or possibly to churches that are members of the WCC.


38 posted on 07/25/2012 12:28:29 PM PDT by livius
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So does anyone not believe that their is a war on religion?

Especially the Catholic religion?


39 posted on 07/25/2012 12:53:35 PM PDT by History Repeats (Drink plenty of TEA, but avoid the Koolaid.)
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