Posted on 07/25/2012 6:17:20 AM PDT by NCjim
NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. — It's an audiotape the New York Police Department hoped you would never hear.
A building superintendent at an apartment complex just off the Rutgers University campus called the New Brunswick Police 911 line in June 2009. He said his staff had been conducting a routine inspection and came across something suspicious.
"What's suspicious?" the dispatcher asked.
"Suspicious in the sense that the apartment has about — has no furniture except two beds, has no clothing, has New York City Police Department radios."
"Really?" the dispatcher asked, her voice rising with surprise.
The caller, Salil Sheth, had stumbled upon one of the NYPD's biggest secrets: a safe house, a place where undercover officers working well outside the department's jurisdiction could lie low and coordinate surveillance. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the NYPD, with training and guidance from the CIA, has monitored the activities of Muslims in New York and far beyond. Detectives infiltrated mosques, eavesdropped in cafes and kept tabs on Muslim student groups, including at Rutgers.
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OMG! The horror! The NYPD were doing their job! Because they didn’t trust the Obama administration to do its job.
They should have had a front page notice printed in the New York Times notifying the bad guys they were there.
They should have had a front page notice printed in the New York Times notifying the bad guys they were there.
Disagree.
The NYPD should NOT be doing “their job” in New Jersey, unless they had permission, which they DID NOT. What they found as evidence wouldn’t even be admissible if discovered illegally, would it? There is that pesky thing called “Jurisdiction.”
Investigating Muslims and mosques? I’ve got no problem with that. Instead of the CIA, though, they should have gotten some training from the Israelis.
Yea, this is definitely NOT the way to conduct business. The NYPD needs to understand that the individual states are sovereign.
Snooping around gun shops in VA and GA and trying to make straw purchases is NOT the mission of the NYPD, even though Bloomingidiot thinks so.
And Bloomingidiot had to sign off on this program, so it shows his clear contempt for the rights of NJ state.
Excuse me, they were not doing anything any other citizen could not have done. They didn’t do anything a reporter for the Newark Star Ledger or the Rutgers student newspaper could not have done, had they been interested. There is no indication of any illegal activity or exercising police powers in New Jersey, they were just “looking around”. You or I can masquerade as Muslims and join the local mosque to keep tabs on trouble makers, just like the FBI infiltrated the Bund prior to World War II.
Disagree. This isn't like they were doing traffic stops in NJ. This is gathering information to protect New York City. That investigation can go wherever it needs to. If they find evidence of a crime committed in another jurisdiction, they'd need to pull in the appropriate agency with jurisdiction.
Big no, no! When one law enforcement agency operates within the jurisdiction of another, it always seeks permission and cooperation from the local sheriff's department.
Bloomberg thinks that he's above the law. He tried this in Virginia couple of years ago with his agents making strawman gun purchases, and the Commonwealth Attorney General told him in uncertain terms that if it happened again, then the agents would be charged and prosecuted.
New York City is NOT foreign country with its own intelligence rules and operations, even though Bloomberg likes to think so.
From the article:
In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties. "They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said.
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And New Jersey Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa has said he's seen no evidence that the NYPD's efforts violated his state's laws.
If those officers-not-doing-policework were getting paid off the NYPD payroll while ‘not doing policework’ - they were doing police work, especially since what they found would be reported to the NYPD and used for their investigations. No different than any other stakeout. Legally parsing all they want changes nothing.
Personally if my SWAT team had found any of them there, I’d have busted their skulls open with a rifle butt, taken all their stuff, killed their dog, burnt everything else, and thrown them in the klink for some Bubba love, then busted their skulls open again for good measure.
“Talk about confusing......it’s not okay for the NYPD to spy on Muzzies after they declared Jihad on our airline industry and killed 3000+ innocent Americans but it’s perfectly okay for the U.S. government to launch drones over our soil and spy on tea partiers and Christians?”
And cows. They are also spying on cows.
I don’t think they are on vacation in NJ acting as any other citizen. There is a difference.
For legal purposes, how are they different? As long as they don’t flash a badge or stop anyone they are behaving perfectly legally.
Given the numbers of times I’ve eaten at The Parkside Restaurant in Corona, Queens my photo must have been taken fifty times by the FBI and NYPD’s organized crime task force. This does not include visits to Frankie and Johnnie’s Pine Tavern and Dominick’s in The Bronx. The ACLU and NYTimes haven’t made much of the continuous surveillance of Italian American establishments in the last 60 years. Never bothered me. I usually try to find the vans and look at them and smile. I’ll be eating Snapper Livornese while they’ll be drinking bad coffee. As for the wiseguys. They’re bums and thugs and if they’re stupid enough to do something in front of the cameras they know are watching they deserve a trip to Atlanta.
“New York City is NOT foreign country with its own intelligence rules and operations, even though Bloomberg likes to think so.’
If however they were ONLY gathering information there should be no problem. If on the other hand they were making arrests or obtaining information which could only be obtained via a warrant then yes there is a problem.
Feigned outrage over information gathering might make for increased paper sales but then again we know the media is not a friend or defender of the country. They would hide a planned attack by mudslimes if it would increase readership.
The article calls it a "safe house" not a stake out. Also per the article, the Atty General of the state of NJ states he does not believe any NJ laws were broken.
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