Posted on 07/21/2012 4:49:48 AM PDT by markomalley
The shooting could have been limited if someone else in the Aurora, Colo., movie theater had been carrying a gun, Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert said today.
Gohmert reacted to the shooting, which left 12 dead, during an interview this morning on the radio program Ernest Istook Live! From The Heritage Foundation.
"Well it does make me wonder, you know with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying that could've stopped this guy more quickly?" Gohmert said. "I mean in Tyler, Texas, we had-my hometown-we had a shooter come in over a domestic matter, and just start shooting people. And it was a guy with a concealed carry-he got killed, but his shooting at this guy caused him to run and no doubt saved a lot of lives. He was a real hero."
Colorado allows residents to obtain concealed carry permits, according to the Colorado State Patrol website.
"I know that before we ever had concealed carry in Texas, there was a, just a senseless shooting years ago in Killeen, Texas, in a restaurant, and, you know, if we had had concealed carry permits at the time, there was a woman who had to leave her gun in her car, and if we'd had concealed carry the guy would've been stopped before he could've killed so many people," Gohmert said.
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How about refusing to enter businesses which refuse you the right to protect your life? They aren't doing you a favor by taking your money for their products, Don't support them. Let somebody too stupid to say "no" take the hits.
Patronize Denny's -- they out and out support concealed carry in their restaurants.
And yes, a laser-equipped handgun sounds like a good bet in a dark place, used with skill.
Even if I couldn’t conceal carry at the least I am buying a black market green laser pointer, one of those evil ray guns that can blind pilots at 5,000 feet.
Or maybe just the under barrel attachment I do have, seriously people are saying a CCW person would have no chance of firing back in a smoke filled theater, maybe it would be very difficult but if the shooter was being hit with a laser AND tactical gun light he may have hesitated or retreated.
Even just a simple laser pointer....
Your opinion is much akin to mine.
Now he will get a slick lawyer who is looking for headlines who will defend the indefensible before a jury of picked liberals who do not like the idea of Capitol Punishment.
If I really had my druthers he would be killed in his escape attempt tonight.Barring that a short trial and a long drop. SOON.
See post 53. Most of those doors have such devices. Many of them don’t work any more or have been disabled by patrons.
Ok so if an establishment has a “no firearms inside” policy and patrons are wounded or killed, can they be held liable by preventing concealed carry people from defending themselves and others?
It could easily have made the situation worse what with clouds of smoke and scrambling people in a dark theatre. There are a lot of ham’n’eggers with c&c who couldn’t hit the side of a barn with a grapefruit.
Sounds like run down theaters - in a run down section.
I thought this one is sorta new. All I ever witnessed is everyone enters and leaves through the front doors and the exit doors by law are lit by signs for emergency use only and are rigged with alarms.
You open one and an alarm blares away and the perpetrator will be caught. And the alarm goes right to the fire department which notifies the police. That alarm going off indicates a fire or such/an emergency. It’s all for the safety of the patrons.
The fire department doesn’t inspect those doors to make sure they work for the safety of those inside in case of a fire?
They do it for restaurants, offices, etc. - most public places to make sure they are up to snuff for safety purposes and if not, the establishments will be fined. An exit door can never be locked from the inside or anything interfering with safe passage out.
The killer could never have carried out his plan if there was an alarm on the exit door. Watch for some changes to that lax system!
Aim for his face!
AIM FOR HIS EYES!!!!!
His gas mask is not bullet proof!
Other soft points are arm pits, and hands.
You have never been in a shooting and it shows.
I would like to know how a person with a pistol would shoot a moving man, who shoots back, in a crowded theater, with people panicking, and tear gas in your eyes?
I wish more people would think before they post.
It would have been VERY unlikely that a concealed carry firearm would have stopped this guy, given the circumstances.
This was not the act of deranged lunatic. It was deliberate, methodical an well-planned. He was a very dangerous anarchist.
> Many of them don’t work any more or have been disabled by patrons.
That would make the theater liable.
And, as far as I know, tampering with safety alarms and locks in public facilities is a crime, at least in my state it is.
Ballistic nylon is not armor. As far as I can tell, he was not wearing ceramic or GI body plates. Any round will go through nylon, even the small .22 LR.
Media keeps reporting that he was wearing a ballistic suit, rips top nylon, nothing more. Occupy idiot run amuck!
Good point! What if I did and accidently killed an innocent person, would I go to fail?
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This is the most popular, but the Chinese made one in the eighties and there is another snail type drum.
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This is the most popular, but the Chinese made one in the eighties and there is another snail type drum.
I love my Congressional Rep...
That reminds me, I need to donate to Louie’s champaign fund.
You are acting like he would have perfect vision, perfect hearing and no disorientation.
He is in the same theater you are. His vision will be obscured by the same smoke. He won’t have very good vision because of the low light level. His hearing will be compromised by either the ringing in his ears from his own gun if he is not wearing hearing protection. Or they will be compromised by the hearing protection if he is wearing ear plugs.
He is even worse off in some regards. His gas mask will kill his peripheral vision. He won’t see anything besides what is right in front of his eyes. It’s like looking through cardboard tubes. When he is looking the other way, you can do anything you want, and he won’t see a dang thing.
The smoke will be front lit to him (light from the screen), making the smoke appear brighter than the people he is shooting at. The people being shot at will have a nice black figure to shoot at that stands out in contrast to the bright screen behind him.
And last but not least. You don’t have to hit him right in the face the first, second, or even third time you pull the trigger. By law of averages, if you shoot in the general direction with enough rounds, you will hit something. All it takes is one bullet hitting the right spot to put him down. That is why you aim in the general direction and keep pulling the trigger till the mag in empty. Then you reload. And do it again.
Just knowing that patrons may have their weapons with them is a deterrent.
if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.
If you are going to CCW, the first thing to get through your head is that you may be forced to do something that will result in collateral damage. If someone is using an innocent person as a human shild while using an automatic weapon to mow down people, you have to accept that the innocent person’s life may be lost to stop the person. If you hold off shooting at the person to save the one person’s life, then he will kill 10, 20 or more people because you didn’t want to risk one person’s life. The best thing you can do is take aim as best a possible at the largest exposed area of the intended target and do the dead. If you did right, you will hit the mark. If you are lucky you may clip the innocent person, but do the intended damage to the perp. If you are unlucky, you will do life threatening damage to the innocent, but the primary thing is to stop the perp shooting.
He may be standing in front of a crowd. You know that if you miss, you will possibly hit, or kill someone else. But if you don’t take the shot, then he will continue to intentionally kill those people you are not wanting to accidentally hit.
To not take aim, to the best of your abilities, and make the shot, because you are afraid of hurting someone is self defeating. When you are pushed to that point, that means that people are already being killed, so the longer you wait worrying about if you will hit an innocent is just causing more death than you could ever think about accidentally causing.
That is why people should practice with their weapon when ever possible. Slow aimed shots, fast shooting and everything in between. The best way of knowing if you can reliably make a shot is by experience.
So, keep this in mind…
You may hit innocent people by accident, but he is doing it on purpose. Don’t worry about accidentally injuring someone when it may prevent you from stopping someone from intentionally hurting someone.
If you did all you can do, to the best of your ability, then everything else be damned. I would rather go to jail for accidentally killing an innocent, than to walk free knowing 20 more people died because I wasn’t capable of thinking past the repercussions I may face afterward.
At the risk of diverting this thread and getting everyone mad at me, why oh why isn’t anyone going after the absent parents? Yeah, the dude was 24 but according to Obummer, he might have still been on his old man’s health insurance plan. The mom was even quoted as saying she knew he might have done it.
Where is her and the father’s responsibility to society to keep their known nut case of a kid from harming people???
Violence has been around forever. Watching it now on a movie or video game is not worse than watching it in real life in previous centuries. Individuals are responsible for their own actions. Society seems to get the blame much more when there are multiple victims than when there is a single one but the responsibility is the same. Mass shootings (more than 5 people) make up 1% of the total shootings and that number has remained constant for decades.
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