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Can Obama make an executive-privilege claim stick? (How will it work legally and politically?)
Hotair ^ | 06/21/2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 06/21/2012 6:38:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 06/21/2012 6:38:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Executive privilege:
  1. Only applies to the pResident

  2. Cannot be used to conceal wrongdoing

2 posted on 06/21/2012 6:43:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Holder CANNOT make the assertion, only the President can, so no Holder cannot make it stick.


3 posted on 06/21/2012 6:48:04 AM PDT by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican elites, are Big Government socialists, Grand Ole Sociali)
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To: SeekAndFind
The only way to salvage something positive from this fiasco is to investigate what went wrong and learn from the mistakes

the only acceptable positive would be that the law be uphold and prosecute to the fullest extent those responsible for the subversion of our Constitution and for the deaths resulting from F & F.

4 posted on 06/21/2012 6:50:33 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind
This is why they desperately have to cover this up...

December 8, 2011
Dear Representative Gardner:
Dear Senator Udall:
Dear Senator Bennet:

Let's call Fast and Furious, Castaway, "Grenade Walker" and "Cash Walker" what they are. State-sponsored terrorism.

On this side of the border they are violations of the RICO Act. In Mexico and Honduras it is state-sponsored terrorism.

What else would you call heavily arming international criminal syndicates within foreign countries wherein those countries are in a death struggle with those syndicates?

Especially when it goes beyond thousands of assault rifles to include grenades, RPGs, shoulder fired rockets, anti-aircraft guns, night vision equipment, body armor and special deals to bring their drugs onto our soil with legal impunity?

Not to mention the just-revealed news that the rip crew that killed BP Agent Brian Terry was there with DEA and FBI assistance and approval to attack and kill a rival cartel's smuggling crew.

Let's not leave out the FBI and DEA laundering millions of dollars for the drug cartels by setting up bank accounts for them that they otherwise couldn't do.

It is organized, it is spread throughout every Federal LEA and it violates numerous domestic laws and numerous statutes and treaties that deal with foreign nations. Yet none of it has been officially sanctioned by Congress. (that I know of) It is the Federal government acting like mafioso.

Pres. Obama, AG Eric Holder and Sec. State Hillary Clinton are all deeply involved in this and it is unquestionably state-sponsored terrorism by the definition used to define states like Iran and North Korea.

PS: if you think I am wrong or exaggerating any of this I will be glad to bring you up to speed with very well sourced articles, legal depositions (publically available) and other public information that verifies every word I have said.

Either you are with these criminals or you are with U.S. I implore you to get informed, get involved and act or get run over by this. This lawless scandal is not going away.

Sincerely,

Mr. (TigersEye)
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5 posted on 06/21/2012 6:53:34 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
As the article explains: in the Espy case, the executive privilege may include only the president; his cabinet, and inner circle of immediate advisors.

It cannot be invoked when official misconduct is suspected.

6 posted on 06/21/2012 7:02:04 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: SeekAndFind

EP has no bearing on this case. For it to work he would now have to admit that the scheme was discussed in detail within the confines of the WH with him and WH advisors. They have already testified, some under oath, that F&F was not ever discussed in the WH and that they all were clueless. This would mean they lied under oath, Holder can immediately be prosecuted and the kenyan dictator would be guilty of lies (which we all know he is on every subject) as well as complicit in Holder’s crimes.

They’ve backed themselves into a corner so now it is up to the nadless GOP to pick this up and AGRESSIVELY pound this up their arses up to and past the election. They need to push this criminality in the faces of the clueless public EVERY DAY.

FUBO & FAD


7 posted on 06/21/2012 7:03:19 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
# 1 is wrong 2 yes, Mark extensively went over this last night.
8 posted on 06/21/2012 7:05:51 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: TigersEye; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

Read the article. Sign the petition TigersEye has posted.


9 posted on 06/21/2012 7:12:12 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Thank you. I just checked and the petition is up about 75k signatures from a few weeks ago. It has built slowly for months. I like that it calls for prosecution not Holder’s resignation.


10 posted on 06/21/2012 7:16:28 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Executive privilege:
Only applies to the pResident”

It extends to his aides as well. Matters that directly involve the whitehouse.


11 posted on 06/21/2012 7:17:07 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: TigersEye

Me too. And you are welcome.


12 posted on 06/21/2012 7:20:47 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: RJS1950

100% proof positive our Marxist president knew about F&F for quite some time. Nothing like using communists own words to destroy them. I love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L54gOgJxIRQ


13 posted on 06/21/2012 7:30:06 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: TigersEye

Why do I not see the letters “CIA” in your letter?

The Sinaloas obtained a plane used in CIA Rendition flights.

Btw, what happened to Donna Blue Aircraft? The company that owned the former CIA Rendition flight plane when it crash landed with 4 tons of Sinaloa cocaine?

http://www.madcowprod.com/10092007.html


14 posted on 06/21/2012 7:30:11 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: SeekAndFind
Fast and Furious was nothing like Gunwalker.

Gunwalker was an attempt to track the sales of guns. The tracking technology failed, so the project was given up.

Fast and Furious - on the other hand - was in no sense an attempt to track the sales of guns. No tracking technology was used, and when one agent tried to apply his own tracking technology it was refused.

Instead: Fast and Furious was a wholesale movement of guns to Mexican criminals without any conceivable policing payoff. It was an attempt to spam blood-stained Mexico crime-scenes with US-registered weapons and so exert dishonest pressure on 2nd Amendment rights.

15 posted on 06/21/2012 7:32:08 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: SeekAndFind

As I understand it, the Bush Administration had a well organized plan that kept track of the weapons, made arrests, and worked as a law enforcement tool. What Obama did was very different, and it was done for very different reasons. Law enforcement wasn’t Obama’s objective. He, Holder and Napolitano were creating an environment of violence that would change the law, and influence public attention against the 2nd Amendment. It goes right along with Napolitano’s efforts to portray conservatives, and non leftest leaning groups as potential terrorists. Obama was willing to see innocent Mexican citizens killed in order to promote his political agenda, and, of course, he could care less about American citizens.


16 posted on 06/21/2012 7:39:10 AM PDT by pallis
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To: agere_contra
Here is an impressive article citing some of the operational issues with the tracking tech used in Wide Receiver.
17 posted on 06/21/2012 7:44:04 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: RummyChick
Why do I not see the letters “CIA” in your letter?

I wanted to be taken seriously.

18 posted on 06/21/2012 7:49:28 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: agere_contra

There has never been an operation named ‘Gunwalker.’


19 posted on 06/21/2012 7:52:06 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Still waiting on an answer as to what happened to Donna Blue Aircraft after their former CIA rendition plan had to be crashed landed with 4 tons of Sinaloa cocaine on it.


20 posted on 06/21/2012 7:55:44 AM PDT by RummyChick
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