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Fast and Furious Falling Apart
American Thinker ^ | 6/21/2012 | Russ Vaughn

Posted on 06/20/2012 11:29:56 PM PDT by Nachum

When BATF agents first blew the whistle on what is now known as Operation Fast and Furious, the rationale offered by DoJ for such an evidently foolish operation was that it was designed to allow BATF to track and prosecute the leaders of the Mexican drug cartels. As more information surfaced from the Mexican government and the BATF's Mexican bureau chief specifying that none of them knew anything of this operation, many of us who were paying a bit closer attention to the case immediately smelled the first foul scent of corruption.

The fatal flaw in DoJ's explanation was this: if the Mexican authorities had not been brought into the operation, nor even the BATF's own agents authorized to operate in Mexico, then the proffered DoJ justification made utterly no sense, for the simple reason that once those walked guns hit the south side of that border, there was absolutely no process in place to track them to their supposed targets. Therefore, DoJ was patently misrepresenting its motive. Why?

For those who keep a constant wary eye on the left's never-ending war on our 2nd-Amendment right to keep and bear arms, the increasingly fishy smell emanating from Washington led to connecting the dots back to the year-earlier revelations in the liberal media that weapons being used in Mexican crimes were traceable back to American sources more than 90% of the time. That false meme had spread quickly through the major liberal media, along with calls for stricter gun control laws in this country by...guess who! How about our president, our secretary of state, our attorney general, and other notable Democrats, for starters?

Here we had an operation mounted by the executive branch of the United States, an operation which had as its stated goal -- after being outed, that is

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; apart; atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; falling; fast; fastandfurious; fbi; furious; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; murdergate; obama
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Interesting theory. Chicago as the incubator for the liberal anti-gun program. Was it to serve as the model for the eventual 'Gunwalker' program? How many other places would or did they try to transport the lawlessness to? Detroit? Oakland? Washington, DC? -Wash... Rinse.... Repeat- until the fabric of society breaks down?
1 posted on 06/20/2012 11:30:08 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Excellent analysis of F&F and deconstruction of Holder’s spin about it.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 11:34:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Nachum

Who dies (as in, Brian Terry) and how many (300 Mexicans) are the centerpiece of the equation of this communist dirty work, handed off to Holder who is left trapped and holding the bag.

Names and numbers of dead serve beautifully to advance the agenda, particularly one of our own, as in the soul of Brian Terry, with ATF metal in the dirt he died in. His name really moved the narrative against US gun rights.

Tramping around in another country with no permission, in which there is no one to track nuttin’. Just to get the blood shed and the number of dead, to which the story was attached to move the dial.

This will be impeachable but won’t be touched beyond the purposes of the Republicans who are using all this too, for a favorable election outcome for there man Romney. A true circular firing squad over the dead, huh?


3 posted on 06/20/2012 11:52:15 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

One might ask...
and ask...
and ask...


4 posted on 06/21/2012 12:18:11 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Nachum

Very good article to pass on to disbelievers.
One point not made is that we and the Mexicans know who the bad guys are and to think that entangling them in a relatively low level straw purchase crime would bring them down is beyond fantasy.


5 posted on 06/21/2012 12:19:03 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Nachum
Fast and furious was a scheme to create crimes with guns that appeared to be purchased in the US by drug dealers and murderers. Holder and Obama wanted to manufacture a crisis where the obvious solution is gun control.

They were deliberately undermining the Constitution of the United States with Fast and Furious. They both took an oath to protect and defend our constitution. There is a word for this type of betrayal. That word is TREASON.

Holder must be prosecuted and if the evidence also shows Obama was involved (which he almost certainly was) he must be impeached.

6 posted on 06/21/2012 12:21:52 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Eagles6

The path in to tyranny and a totalitarian government that’s what Eric Holder and his handlers were hoping for and this is the reason he is holding out on any further information as it might implicate some one higher up, the first two guesses who it might be don’t count. Had it not been for the Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley who luckily blew the whistle on this crap who knows how far socialists (liberals) had gone with this attempt to undermine the second amendment.
The true reason for wanting an unarmed public is because such a citizenry is powerless in the face of armed government and therefore compliant. Liberals, Democrats, Communists or Socialists by what ever flavor they like to be known, know full well that the key to unrestrained governing is to first disarm the citizenry.


7 posted on 06/21/2012 12:22:47 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: Nachum

Obama had made promises on video to Mrs. Brady that he was working on new ways to get things done for her. I remember seeing it. It was at some event they were both together and audio was caught of them having a short exchange where he said that. He and her were talking either after a speaker or on the side while someone else was speaking.


8 posted on 06/21/2012 12:28:05 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

Obama is on video with his promise to Sarah Brady stating they were working “under the radar” on gun control. Gunwalker was that under the rdar operation. If it worked he’d have had a pretext self created criaia to justify gutting the 2ns Amendment and keeping his promise to Sarah Brady.

Just go to YouTube and search “Obama under the radar gun control”.


9 posted on 06/21/2012 12:35:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

Now ask yourself “ What kind of political ideology supports such usurpation and treason?” Fast and Furious was designed to bring about a result of restricting or nullifying 2nd amendment rights of the People.And it was designed to do so in Red States.

This is War.

And it is being conducted against the People by a liberal fascist movement led by so called president Barak Hussein Obama.

We need to be rid of him and all who are in office, who support him.

Good Read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


10 posted on 06/21/2012 12:36:03 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: saintgermaine; precisionshootist

One does not need to go too far back into world history to see this kind of “false flag” operation working successfully to achieve the nefarious goals of its perpetrators.

The Reichstag fire and Gleiwitz incident worked to put the Nazis in power, and gathered public support for their war on Poland.

Fascist is as fascist does.


11 posted on 06/21/2012 12:38:24 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Apparently the meeting was not on video, but recalled a meeting of Obama and Sarah in the White house where they talked gun control and said they were working it on it, with processes under the radar. He also mentioned they were interested in records and record keeping of firearms sellers.


12 posted on 06/21/2012 12:51:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

As long as the MSM slime has control of the news cycle, the punk POTUS walks. It doesn’t matter what Barry Sotero does, he is in their pocket.


13 posted on 06/21/2012 12:53:53 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Nachum

I’ll bet Barry and Eric have already hired Jose the Birth Certificate Guy to reconstruct “the documents” to make them look like the good guys in all of this. I just don’t trust this government anymore.


14 posted on 06/21/2012 1:04:18 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (64% of Americans support amnesty and find the Wet DREAM Act "a big hit!" - New Bloomberg Poll)
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To: precisionshootist

This was just phase one of a grander plan that went beyond the US; it was to be part of the UN agenda. This is one huge setback for the globalists.


15 posted on 06/21/2012 1:24:20 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up.)
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To: Nachum
Agree. I haven't heard any evidence that the guns of F&F were ever meant to be "TRACKED" to the upper levels of cartel organizations. The sole purpose was to have guns "TRACED" from crime scenes in Mexico to American dealers, who were essentially ordered by BAFTE to make what they knew were "straw sales". The only rational purpose of F&F is that of manufacturing "evidence" to support the lie that "90% of the guns in the hands of cartels come from the US". The cure? More gun laws.
16 posted on 06/21/2012 2:06:20 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc&feature=player_embedded


17 posted on 06/21/2012 2:06:53 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Rennes Templar; Nachum
This was just phase one of a grander plan that went beyond the US; it was to be part of the UN agenda. This is one huge setback for the globalists.

Exactly. That's why the author of this column slightly misses the point in his five-item summary when he lists as number four:

Use steps one through three to substantiate the liberal fallacy that private gun ownership leads to increased gun violence by gun owners.

It should actually read:

Use steps one through three to gain public support and international support for gun control by the UN, circumventing our own Constitution.

If the White House could get the Mexican Government to insist on international regulation of guns because "90% of the cartel's guns come from the U.S.," then they could probably increase public guilt in the U.S. about being the supplier of those guns, and in the interest of being a good neighbor, more people might be willing to subvert our individual liberties to an international agreement. I believe that was the thinking on the Left.

The author is absolutely right, however, that the Left knows they will have a hard time forcing the people of this country to go along with their push for total power as long as the citizens have guns.

18 posted on 06/21/2012 2:07:21 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: bronxville

Project Gun Runner (Fast and Furious) was launched under the orders of President Barack Obama with the knowledge of Attorney General Eric Holder. Deputy Attorney General David Ogden announced the Obama Administration’s new and aggressive ‘comprehensive plan’ on March, 24, 2009. The plan was aimed at disrupting gun trafficking between the United States and Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc&feature=player_embedded


19 posted on 06/21/2012 2:08:26 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Check out Sen. Obama’s “World Poverty Act” of 2008 where he pushed for US adoption the UN Millenium Declaration.

Here’s a lionk to the declaration

http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares552e.htm


20 posted on 06/21/2012 2:48:25 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms for the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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