Posted on 06/17/2012 8:05:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf
Here we go again, Groundhog Day. And likely with almost the same result as last time likely.
Interesting quote:
Condemning the outside interference in the election, Greek blogger Nick Malkoutzis, who is also deputy editor of deputy editor of Kathimerini English Edition, writes that "Europe that has become scared of democracy".
UK Guardian is Live-Bogging, with updates every minute: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/greek-election-blog-2012/2012/jun/17/greek-elections-greece-polls-live?newsfeed=true
Germany gets to annex Greece.
Tweets of New Exit Polls
Golden Dawn has finished 3rd among young voters.
More on the new Exit Poll:
Real age split <55 favour Syriza
Vote: 18-34 Syriza 33%, ND 20%
35-54 Syriza 34%, ND 24%: 55+ ND 39%, Syriza 20%
http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012b/mobile/level.html?lang=en&level=ep&id=38
Results coming in looking like New Democrats will win by 4-6% with about 5-10% votes in.
Paging Generaloberst Student.....Will Kurt Student please pick up the brown courtesy phone...
Just to clear something up:
Golden Dawn (I’m not a supporter) is not a Neo Nazi party, this is something the english language media has picked up on without much knowledge.
Elias, in that now infamous tv incident, was saying Papandreou (the socialist PM of Greece for decades and leader of PASOK, and who’s policies are the cause of all this) should be executed for his criminal negligence. If you understand Greek you’d know he was being hyperbolic, but many Greeks would agree with the sentiment.
He is a nationalist NOT a socialist. He believes Greece should voluntarily withdraw from the Euro and relearn how to live without a welfare state. The majority of people don’t know any other way. He believes the country must undergo a period of disciplined restructuring and growth (see Poland, now the fastest growing economy in europe).
A ND or Syriza win won’t change anything. Samaras is beholden to interest groups and Tsipras is simply a charismatic fool.
If you’ve read European news in the last week you will have seen countless stories showing how Europe can absorb a Greek exit. This is a coordinated communications attempt from PR firms, the ECB and Finance ministers to calm investors and bankers from panicing post-election.
Europe doesn’t want to federalize debt until the Greek tumor has been removed. And the recovery of Spain and Italy relies on this federalization.
Greece is leaving the Euro. All that will be determined by this election is how much more european money they take with them.
I’m just glad my grandfather, a real Greek patriot who fought first the Nazi’s and then was wounded fighting the Soviets to assure Greek independence and then endured 25 years of corrupt socialist policies while never once trying to exploit the system himself, isn’t alive to see the fruition of his worst fears.
After a Greek exit and IF Merkel continues to obstruct debt federalization and IF capital controls are imposed and IF Germany wins this tournament (only slightly joking there) a wave of anti-Germany sentiment will really sweep over the continent.
If you knew your history, you’d know this is not funny
Athinon B is the district that has picked the winner in every Greek election for 40 years. thats the only exit poll that really matters.
Lighten up. Nobody would take my earlier comment seriously.
The big urban centers Patras, Pireas, Larissa, Athens, Thessaloniki have not been counted yet and would tend more left of left.
I pick SYRIZA as the winner...
You read it first here on FR .
I thought it was seriously funny.
Do you believe that it will get a majority or that it will be able to form a coalition?
TWEET:
Greece Min. of Int:
with 21,5% of votes reporting, ND 30,9, SYRIZA 25,53, PASOK 13,3, IND GR 7,36, GD 6,87 and Dem Left 5,93.
The nation is just about as dead as Rodney low-life King...and for a similar reason.
I’m sorry but I get really worked up by people making jokes of this. We are witnessing the undeveloping of a european union country. There is something systemically unsustainable in western capitalism and unless there is a fundamental transformation in our markets, wealth structure, and moral beliefs the first world will continue undeveloping.
I am by no means suggesting socialism is the answer. I am graduating with an MBA from a prestigious american university at the end of the year and I’m mad as hell. Now that the criminal negligence and moral lapses in public and private leadership are so obvious to me, and yet remain so elusive to many of my classmates I am very pessimistic about the next decade.
I like capitalism, but I love competence.
ND is the projected winner on NET.
“Many Greeks are unhappy with the conditions attached to deals which have been keeping the country from bankruptcy.”
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Puerile lunacy.
I suppose what the Greeks REALLY want is to simply walk away from their socialist driven debt, start up their thieving, lazy Communist ways again, and let Mom and Dad pay the bills.
But this time you'll have all the western powers on their backs to make it work (which is why ND is currently ahead...pressure has been put on from outside...if the election was held 10 days ago, Syriza would have won IMO).
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